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Bolt action 30-30

My first rifle was a Savage 110 in 30-30.
A co worker reloaded for me.
Was running 150gr Sierra GameKings.
He said it felt weird loading pointed bullets in the 30-30 case. Lol

For target practice i used to shoot golfballs at the 200 yard berm.

Performance on deer was plenty good for me.
 
I had a minty 788 in 44 mag. I traded it for a Hungarian Ak which remains unfired. I really wish I hadn't done it but the guy was almost in tears when I brought it over so I traded it to him. I had 2 others in 22-250 and .222 which was a sweet shooter but they are all gone now and all I have is a load of 700's but I always liked the 788. Make sure you always full length size as those receivers tend to distort slightly and in some cases if you neck size the bolt may not close. If you get sick of it let me know. Does yours have a walnut stock or birch.
I have never heard the receiver distortion story before. Not saying it could not be true but where did you learn that at. And if it it's true what does that have to do with sizing. Case is in the barrel , if there is proper headspace bolt should close. If receiver is distorted to the point the rear locking lugs won't lock up I don't see how full length sizing would have any effect. But I am curious as to if this is fact or urban legend. And, since I am on here, if you really want a bolt 30 30 do not be to quick to discount the ugly Savage 340. As a young teenager I had one in 222. Use to shoot the locals with their 722s in 222 for sodas. I won a lot more sodas than I bought. Loved making those old guys shake their heads in disbelief, now I am the old guy. LOL
 
Took me 10 years to find this one! (acceptable condition and price) I now have 8 of the 9 calibers, 44 mag is last and the hardest to find. I do have leads on 2 locally, after the new year I will pursue them.
The bullets marked 30-30 are also all round nose, and I want to take advantage of a pointed bullet.
I got the 44 mag used at gander mnt. For $475.00. It was unfired mint/ no rust/ no dings. I sold it for a profit as you can imagine. For hunting just use the 125 accubond or 110ttsx barnes.
 
I have never heard the receiver distortion story before. Not saying it could not be true but where did you learn that at. And if it it's true what does that have to do with sizing.

A .303 British Enfield rifle had two different bolt release methods depending on who made the rifle. The British rifles had a cut in the rear of the receiver for the bolt release that allowed the receiver to flex more than the American and Canadian made rifles with the bolt release slot at the front of the receiver.

The higher the chamber pressure the more the receiver can flex with rear mounted locking lugs. And this also depends on the receiver design and where metal is removed and how it affects flexing.

The British .303 with its design and at its higher chamber pressure the receiver would flex. The 30-30 chamber pressure at 43,000 psi always has the primers protruding and the rear of the case never touches the bolt face. Meaning very little bolt thrust from the primer and no receiver flexing.

BUT if the case has unequal case wall thickness it can let the base of the case stretch and tilt on one side. And if the case is just neck sized the tilted base of the case will cause the case to be tilted in the chamber and effect bullet alignment in the throat.

Full length resizing with shoulder bump reduces the effects of a warped banana shaped case and its bullet tilt in the chamber. And good quality made cases have less variations in wall thickness and warping problems.

NECO Concentricity, Wall Thickness and Runout Gauge
https://www.neconos.com/item/Concentricity-Wall-Thickness-and-Runout-Gauge-12

The NECO, patented, Case Gauge is the most versatile instrument available for measuring the various accuracy determining factors of cartridge cases, bullets and loaded ammunition. No other gauge can measure all of the following: 1.Banana curvature of case. 2.Wall and neck thickness variations. 3.Case head squareness. 4.Banana curvature and out-of-round shape of individual bullets. 5.Runout of seated bullet. 6.Total runout of loaded cartridge.

This is not a urban myth, rifles with rear mounted locking lugs will flex more and the bolt can compress more than rifles with the locking lugs at the front of the bolt and receiver. I forget the term but the flexing of the Enfield receiver would create a oval shaped group that became larger at longer ranges.

And my RCBS case gauge can measure case will thickness and tell me why the cases warp.

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Just went to WalMart and they had 30-30 Corelokt ammo, for $10 a box. If I did not reload for mine, I would have bought it all. I tried several loads with different bullets in my single shot Henry. I went back to a more standard 150 round nose over a stout load of 3031. I killed two mulie does with it last fall without issue.

I had a .223, 788 and it was a great rifle. Also, I had the left-hand .308. I should not have gotten rid of either.
 
So I just added a rem 788 in 30-30 to my collection. Being a bolt action I can safely shoot pointy bullets. My question is: Can you shoot any 30 cal. bullet? I notice .307 and .308 sizes .
What do you recommend? This will be used for eastern deer hunting 150 yds tops.
Thanks
Gary
I always figured if you have a lever 30-30 you can easily use pointed bullets. one in the tube and one in the chamber. I am sure 2 shots is enough for deer being cape buffalo are hunted with double rifles
 
I always figured if you have a lever 30-30 you can easily use pointed bullets. one in the tube and one in the chamber. I am sure 2 shots is enough for deer being cape buffalo are hunted with double rifles
Kinda sucks when you are the deer and those TWO shots did not finish the hunter's duty ! Ever wound an animal ?
 
A .303 British Enfield rifle had two different bolt release methods depending on who made the rifle. The British rifles had a cut in the rear of the receiver for the bolt release that allowed the receiver to flex more than the American and Canadian made rifles with the bolt release slot at the front of the receiver.

The higher the chamber pressure the more the receiver can flex with rear mounted locking lugs. And this also depends on the receiver design and where metal is removed and how it affects flexing.

The British .303 with its design and at its higher chamber pressure the receiver would flex. The 30-30 chamber pressure at 43,000 psi always has the primers protruding and the rear of the case never touches the bolt face. Meaning very little bolt thrust from the primer and no receiver flexing.

BUT if the case has unequal case wall thickness it can let the base of the case stretch and tilt on one side. And if the case is just neck sized the tilted base of the case will cause the case to be tilted in the chamber and effect bullet alignment in the throat.

Full length resizing with shoulder bump reduces the effects of a warped banana shaped case and its bullet tilt in the chamber. And good quality made cases have less variations in wall thickness and warping problems.

NECO Concentricity, Wall Thickness and Runout Gauge
https://www.neconos.com/item/Concentricity-Wall-Thickness-and-Runout-Gauge-12

The NECO, patented, Case Gauge is the most versatile instrument available for measuring the various accuracy determining factors of cartridge cases, bullets and loaded ammunition. No other gauge can measure all of the following: 1.Banana curvature of case. 2.Wall and neck thickness variations. 3.Case head squareness. 4.Banana curvature and out-of-round shape of individual bullets. 5.Runout of seated bullet. 6.Total runout of loaded cartridge.

This is not a urban myth, rifles with rear mounted locking lugs will flex more and the bolt can compress more than rifles with the locking lugs at the front of the bolt and receiver. I forget the term but the flexing of the Enfield receiver would create a oval shaped group that became larger at longer ranges.

And my RCBS case gauge can measure case will thickness and tell me why the cases warp.

CCntXIg.jpg
A .303 British Enfield rifle had two different bolt release methods depending on who made the rifle. The British rifles had a cut in the rear of the receiver for the bolt release that allowed the receiver to flex more than the American and Canadian made rifles with the bolt release slot at the front of the receiver.

The higher the chamber pressure the more the receiver can flex with rear mounted locking lugs. And this also depends on the receiver design and where metal is removed and how it affects flexing.

The British .303 with its design and at its higher chamber pressure the receiver would flex. The 30-30 chamber pressure at 43,000 psi always has the primers protruding and the rear of the case never touches the bolt face. Meaning very little bolt thrust from the primer and no receiver flexing.

BUT if the case has unequal case wall thickness it can let the base of the case stretch and tilt on one side. And if the case is just neck sized the tilted base of the case will cause the case to be tilted in the chamber and effect bullet alignment in the throat.

Full length resizing with shoulder bump reduces the effects of a warped banana shaped case and its bullet tilt in the chamber. And good quality made cases have less variations in wall thickness and warping problems.

NECO Concentricity, Wall Thickness and Runout Gauge
https://www.neconos.com/item/Concentricity-Wall-Thickness-and-Runout-Gauge-12

The NECO, patented, Case Gauge is the most versatile instrument available for measuring the various accuracy determining factors of cartridge cases, bullets and loaded ammunition. No other gauge can measure all of the following: 1.Banana curvature of case. 2.Wall and neck thickness variations. 3.Case head squareness. 4.Banana curvature and out-of-round shape of individual bullets. 5.Runout of seated bullet. 6.Total runout of loaded cartridge.

This is not a urban myth, rifles with rear mounted locking lugs will flex more and the bolt can compress more than rifles with the locking lugs at the front of the bolt and receiver. I forget the term but the flexing of the Enfield receiver would create a oval shaped group that became larger at longer ranges.

And my RCBS case gauge can measure case will thickness and tell me why the cases warp.

CCntXIg.jpg
The subject is Rem 788 not an Enfield.
 
The subject is Rem 788 not an Enfield.

With any type rifle with rear locking lugs, the receiver can flex and stretch. And the higher the chamber pressure and bolt thrust the more flex and bolt compression you will have.

And since the 30-30 does not generate high enough chamber pressure to make the case stretch to meet the bolt face then receiver flexing is a non-issue with the 788. BUT with higher pressure cartridges like the .308 the 788 receivers can flex and the bolt compress because of the higher bolt thrust.

And I owned two Remington 788 rifles and knew about receiver flexing with rear locking lugs long before I started collecting Enfield rifles. And you stated you had never heard of receiver flexing and brought up the subject.
 
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Bah! I’ve owned a half dozen 788’s (including a .308) and handloaded some extreme charges. Never, not even once, experienced any of the “commonly known” 788 issues. Zero. The action is very beefy with minimal cutouts for the magazine and ejection port. And as the owner of two 788’s in 30-30 I assure you that the cartridge contacts the bolt face - it headspaces on the rim.
 
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With any type rifle with rear locking lugs, the receiver can flex and stretch. And the higher the chamber pressure and bolt thrust the more flex and bolt compression you will have.

And since the 30-30 does not generate high enough chamber pressure to make the case stretch to meet the bolt face then receiver flexing is a non-issue with the 788. BUT with higher pressure cartridges like the .308 the 788 receivers can flex and the bolt compress because of the higher bolt thrust.

And I owned two Remington 788 rifles and knew about receiver flexing with rear locking lugs long before I started collecting Enfield rifles. And you stated you had never heard of receiver flexing and brought up the subject.
No , the subject was concerning 788s and I referenced as never hearing of this being a problem with them. Now if you want to go of the tracks and get technical I think all receivers flex . But let's not and stay on subject although I have no more time to waste on this. Have a great day I do know one thing, flex or not, 788 will shot rings around an Enfield.
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No , the subject was concerning 788s and a referenced as never hearing of this being a problem with them. Now if you want to go of the tracks and get technical I think all receivers flex . But let's not and stay on subject although I have no more time to waste on this. Have a great day I do know one thing, flex or not, 788 will shot rings around an Enfield.
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The horse was dead long ago....
 
The subject is Rem 788 not an Enfield.

Then why did you bring up the Savage 340 30-30 if the subject was the Rem 788?????

I have never heard the receiver distortion story before. Not saying it could not be true but where did you learn that at. And if it it's true what does that have to do with sizing. Case is in the barrel , if there is proper headspace bolt should close. If receiver is distorted to the point the rear locking lugs won't lock up I don't see how full length sizing would have any effect. But I am curious as to if this is fact or urban legend. And, since I am on here, if you really want a bolt 30 30 do not be to quick to discount the ugly Savage 340. As a young teenager I had one in 222. Use to shoot the locals with their 722s in 222 for sodas. I won a lot more sodas than I bought. Loved making those old guys shake their heads in disbelief, now I am the old guy. LOL
 
Then why did you bring up the Savage 340 30-30 if the subject was the Rem 788?????
Its beyond me why people get involved in pissing and dick measuring disputes over innocent incidentals when their intent is to only add some wording they feel is pertinent to the topic weather its a verb or a noun doesn't matter. On the grand scale it's a waste of time that causes disruption and unease, It gets no respect either.
 
Kinda sucks when you are the deer and those TWO shots did not finish the hunter's duty ! Ever wound an animal ?
so how is it that in Africa they use double rifles for elephant and cape buffalo sometimes being charged? I never wounded an big game animal cause I never shot at long range waited for a good shot. they ran some did but not far. how is 2 shots not enough for a deer at the right range. so what use would there be in the Ruger No 1 rifle just single shot many hunt with it?
 

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