boat tail OR flat base for short range

[bigedp51]

That depends on the bolt action rifle, my off the shelf factory Savage .223 has a longer throat than either of my AR15 rifles and has a 1 in 9 twist.

And for you non benchrest shooters I highly recommend the book below.

And this website

The Rifleman's Journal
Index of Articles
http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/p/articles-index.html


Then if you make friends with the Zombies................................................

You can switch to the red tip V-Max.

 

[bigedp51]

I have factory rifles that shoot both. The only way that I discovered this was to test, which was my recommendation. Ed get over yourself. All I said was to try whichever bullet he is curious about in whichever rifle he wants to know if it will shoot in. Back in the days when the first Colt Hbars came out, I knew a shooter who shot very nice groups with his with handloads with 69 gr Sierras. That was in a factory AR with a flash suppressor. In my post, I did not refer to anyone else's, or denigrate any opinion, just related my experience and some factual information. You might consider that in the future.

Not everyone here shoots in benchrest competition, and back when I wrote my first article in "Precision Zombie Shooting" flat base bullets were the rage. And some of us poor folk were forced to shoot Zombies with surplus .303 British Enfield rifles, :

And the A2 HBAR below is mine and doesn't belong to a "friend". And the difference is the OP is shooting at short range and flat base bullets will work just fine.

And the OP said "So i don't think ill need a 77 gr" and I have many more boat tail bullets for my .223/5.56 rifles.

P.S. And its funny, when I read your posts I say to myself, Boyd get over yourself.
So you might consider that in the future.

 

[BoydAllen]

Ed my concluding remark was that the best way to find out if a bullet works in a particular rifle is to try them. You disagree? Really?

 

[bigedp51]

Ed my concluding remark was that the best way to find out if a bullet works in a particular rifle is to try them. You disagree? Really?

Boyd, I have a friend who has another friend who knows someone with a custom AR15 rifle without a flash suppressor. I asked my friend who has another friend who knows someone with a custom AR15 rifle why do they remove the flash suppressor from the barrel and he said it makes the rifle more accurate.

Then I ask myself how many AR15 rifles does Boyd Allen have and how many loads has he worked up in one. Then I wonder if Boyd's expertise in this posting is second hand information he got from a friend who has another friend who knows someone with a AR15 rifle.

So Boyd, get over yourself. (And read my article in "Precision Zombie Shooting".

 

[Sniper338]

Another for flat base for short range

 

[Sniper338]

Another for flat base for short range

 

[BoydAllen]

So Ed, a small sample is better than a large one? I was speaking to the generalization that flat base bullets are more accurate at short range than BTs. Like many things, it depends...on the rifle, and the shooter's ability to work up a load. If you think that having worked up a load or two in an AR or two makes you an expert on all ARs, fine, you are an expert. Generally those that shoot ARs the best shoot BTs. There is this little match at a place called Camp Perry that they put on every year. You might ask a few of those fellows if they switch to FB bullets for their two and three hundred yard stages. For decades I followed the conventional wisdom that you and others have repeated, then I experienced exceptions, and.....wait for it, changed my mind based on new information. The reason that I don't own an AR is that none of the out of the box, reasonably priced ones that I have seen will shoot with my factory bolt rifles, and because I live in California. If I lived somewhere else that had different laws, I probably would. Generally, I find that your talking down about fine accuracy on a web site named Accurateshooter.com, and constantly using the .303 and Enfields to illustrate points about accuracy to be a bit of a mismatch. Perhaps you need to explore the possibilities of starting a site called Bigeds303s.com. During the many years when all I had were factory rifles with factory barrels, and ordinary reloading equipment, I would have never thought of looking to that sort of equipment for guidance as to how to improve my results.

 

[Drop Port]

So with a 223 . Id like to use 52 smk , 69 Smk. Ill be loading for my bolt gun and AR-15 . iv picked these 2 bullets for both guns so i can just buy them in bulk. I only plan on shooting 300 yards max. So i dont think ill need a 77 gr. But im not sure if at short range such as 200 a flat base will preform any better than a boat tail... only reason i ask is that sierra makes a 53 FB .

What kind of accuracy are you looking for from the bolt gun and is it a factory rifle or custom? Depending what you are looking for in accuracy and not knowing the capability of the rifle it might be a moot point. Ultimately the rifle will tell you which shoots best.

 

[cjmac]

The bolt gun is a custom off a rem 700. With a 1 in 7 ss match barrel...

 

[bigedp51]

So Ed, a small sample is better than a large one? I was speaking to the generalization that flat base bullets are more accurate at short range than BTs. Like many things, it depends...on the rifle, and the shooter's ability to work up a load. If you think that having worked up a load or two in an AR or two makes you an expert on all ARs, fine, you are an expert. Generally those that shoot ARs the best shoot BTs. There is this little match at a place called Camp Perry that they put on every year. You might ask a few of those fellows if they switch to FB bullets for their two and three hundred yard stages. For decades I followed the conventional wisdom that you and others have repeated, then I experienced exceptions, and.....wait for it, changed my mind based on new information. The reason that I don't own an AR is that none of the out of the box, reasonably priced ones that I have seen will shoot with my factory bolt rifles, and because I live in California. If I lived somewhere else that had different laws, I probably would. Generally, I find that your talking down about fine accuracy on a web site named Accurateshooter.com, and constantly using the .303 and Enfields to illustrate points about accuracy to be a bit of a mismatch. Perhaps you need to explore the possibilities of starting a site called Bigeds303s.com. During the many years when all I had were factory rifles with factory barrels, and ordinary reloading equipment, I would have never thought of looking to that sort of equipment for guidance as to how to improve my results.

The reverse of this would be Boyd Allen starting his own blog where only your opinion matters. BUT Accurate Shooter isn't your exclusive website and just created for benchrest shooters and covers ALL aspects of accurate shooting and improving accuracy.

You really, really need to get over yourself Boyd Allen, at no time did I even bring your name up but you got your panties in a bunch and your ego ran wild and YOU attacked me first. So grow up and realize your not the only one in this forum and realize not everyone is a benchrest shooter. And then go to the main page of this forum and look at all the venues it covers.

Reloading Forum (All Calibers) doesn't mean just benchrest.

P.S. Its your ego Boyd Allen, and some people are not benchrest gun snobs!

Reloading the .303 British Today
by Germán A. Salazar
http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2012/04/cartridges-reloading-303-british-today.html

.303 British Handload Test
by German A. Salazar
http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2012/04/cartridges-303-british-handload-test.html

Or are you saying Germán A. Salazar isn't a Accurate Shooter? :

Now grow up and realize there are over 7.2 billion people on this earth and they all don't shoot benchrest.

And sorry but I forgot to tell you my center bedded Enfield rifle below was accurized by the British military for long range shooting up to 1000 yards.

Eat your heart out.

 

[jimcasey01]

cjmac,
I personally had better experience with the 53 gr SMK out to 200 meters (as far as I have used them), a phenomenal bullet for accuracy. I am certain others have had similar results with the 52 gr SMK. It depends on your set up, as usual. See what works best with your barrel(s). Good luck,
Jim