Bleiker and Grunig & Elmiger

[shortine]

Kevin Nevius or anyone who has a Racer,

I've seen diagrams of the G &E cartridge alignment. Does it come up when the bolt opens... then retract?

How exactly does it work?

Thanks,

Gerry

 

[Tony K Harper]

Here's a screen snap from G+E's catalog, pointing out various features of R3's fire control system, including the dry-fire switch:

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You can download their entire catalog, among other documentation, here: https://www.gruenel.ch/en-site-downloads-g_e

That's another thing about G+E: their documentation is second-to-none.

bluetentacle,

that is an excellent review of a truly amazing rifle. Thank you for taking the time to do it.

My main focus these days has been in RFBR. As you may know we are still using 50 year old + technology in our custom actions. They are simple, and they work, but they are a far cry from the sophisticated design and excellent workmanship of the G+E actions.

To my knowledge only one RFBR shooter has tried to use a G+E action for RFBR, there have been a couple of shooters try Bleiker's. Far too few to know if they offer accuracy advantages. Maybe someone will take up this task in the future.

TKH (4628)

 

[butchlambert]

bluetentacle,

that is an excellent review of a truly amazing rifle. Thank you for taking the time to do it.

My main focus these days has been in RFBR. As you may know we are still using 50 year old + technology in our custom actions. They are simple, and they work, but they are a far cry from the sophisticated design and excellent workmanship of the G+E actions.

To my knowledge only one RFBR shooter has tried to use a G+E action for RFBR, there have been a couple of shooters try Bleiker's. Far too few to know if they offer accuracy advantages. Maybe someone will take up this task in the future.

TKH (4628)

I sent a PM to bluetentacle inquiring about doing that, but I guess he hasn't noticed it yet.

 

[pfiori]

The loading tray moves vertically in the action and is spring loaded.
The rear surface of the tray is sloped so that the nose of the bolt pushes it down as the bolt moves forward.

 

[bluetentacle]

Tony and Butch,

I don't know enough about the benchrest discipline to tell you whether the Racer/R3 is suitable for this purpose. I do know that Bleiker sells barreled actions explicitly to the benchrest community: https://bleiker.ch/?lid=1#!24 Note that the benchrest shooter pictured on that page is French.

Perhaps G+E is also serving the European benchrest community. I suggest that you email Patrik Klas at G+E directly: p.klas@gruenel.ch. He's really good to deal with.

 

[bluetentacle]

Kevin Nevius or anyone who has a Racer,

I've seen diagrams of the G &E cartridge alignment. Does it come up when the bolt opens... then retract?

How exactly does it work?

Thanks,

Gerry

This document contains some excellent CAD diagrams. Perhaps it can provide some insight: https://www.gruenel.ch/FreeTextFiles/Downloads/ge/Maintenance and Cleaning english.pdf

 

[butchlambert]

Tony and Butch,

I don't know enough about the benchrest discipline to tell you whether the Racer/R3 is suitable for this purpose. I do know that Bleiker sells barreled actions explicitly to the benchrest community: https://bleiker.ch/?lid=1#!24 Note that the benchrest shooter pictured on that page is French.

Perhaps G+E is also serving the European benchrest community. I suggest that you email Patrik Klas at G+E directly: p.klas@gruenel.ch. He's really good to deal with.

Thanks, I will follow up on it.

 

[efoleyjr]

What is the difference between the original Racer and the R3?

Ed

 

[pfiori]

What is the difference between the original Racer and the R3?

Ed

There are a few significant differences that I will call performance based and others that are more ergonomic in nature.
In the "performance" category
The aluminum block at the front of the action is no longer sandwiched between the barrel shoulder and the receiver block, the barrel shoulder now bears on directly on the receiver block. This change was implemented in the R2 version.
The base plate is a more rigid design and now uses up to 9 bedding bolts.
The trigger now has ball bearings at the main pivot points.
Selective fit bolt sleeves are available to adjust headspace.

In the ergonomic category the major changes are
The Safety/dry fire switch changed from a rocker on the bolt body to a slide switch at the bolt handle.
A cartridge inserting mechanism (button on back of receiver that when pushed operates a hand to push cartridge into chamber) was added.
The loading port cartridge fence on the left side (right hand action) now flips down to allow loading from the left side.
There are some other small differences but these are the biggest ones.

 

[efoleyjr]

There are a few significant differences that I will call performance based and others that are more ergonomic in nature.
In the "performance" category
The aluminum block at the front of the action is no longer sandwiched between the barrel shoulder and the receiver block, the barrel shoulder now bears on directly on the receiver block. This change was implemented in the R2 version.
The base plate is a more rigid design and now uses up to 9 bedding bolts.
The trigger now has ball bearings at the main pivot points.
Selective fit bolt sleeves are available to adjust headspace.

In the ergonomic category the major changes are
The Safety/dry fire switch changed from a rocker on the bolt body to a slide switch at the bolt handle.
A cartridge inserting mechanism (button on back of receiver that when pushed operates a hand to push cartridge into chamber) was added.
The loading port cartridge fence on the left side (right hand action) now flips down to allow loading from the left side.
There are some other small differences but these are the biggest ones.

Thanks for the info.

Ed