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Bix'n Andy Fix?

Badbob

I have a BnA comp on a Bat B. Set pull at 2oz with the smallest spring. After 200 rounds of fireforming BRA the I'm getting a couple drop pins (probably 3x in the last 50 rounds).

The official word is to clean them often to fix this but a fellow shooter said his was modified by a gun smith and has not had anymore problems with 1000+ rounds (no cleaning). I really don't want to get burned while at a match.

Anybody have problems as described? Anybody figured this out? I got the gun tore apart and forget to test the trigger weight to see if perhaps the set screw backed out. Bad on me.

Definitely phishing the collective genius pool for help.

Cheers! BB
 
Call Bullet Central. They are very helpful. I replaced the balls in my B&A's with Tungsten Carbide ones from McMaster-Carr. It was a good improvement. Clean is a definite requirement with these triggers.
 
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+1 have Alex Wheeler work it.
I sent him my BAT action, Jewell, and Bix trigger. He said he can inspect and find the minor issues with the Bix, and says his customers don't have a problem after that. So he fitted the Bix for action timing as my primary trigger, and the Jewell turned out very good also, and will be my backup.
I haven't shot mine yet, but I'm expecting to be in great shape like Mulligan.
 
Mulligan said:
https://www.wheeleraccuracy.com/. Give @Alex Wheeler a call.
He fixed my B&A, I do not think it is the same problem?
Mine was a fair weather trigger, if the temperature got below freezing, the firing pin fall was atrocious. Sometimes, wouldn’t fire at all.
CW
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Mulligan . . . ya this is what I'm hearing that it gets worse overtime. I did not think about the temp being a contributing factor. Cleaning does not help. Thanks BB
 
I have heard it said that the best way to fix a Bix & Andy is to replace it with a Jewel.
I have B&A‘s in all four of my Competition Rifles. They are phenomenal triggers. But that “send it off and get it fixed” crap strikes a nerve with me.

I have personally seen three fail in competition. I guess I am waiting my turn.
 
Jackie, theres a lot of things we do to get the best. If we want the smoothest, best shooting action we go through the hassle to time them tune the ignition ensure lug contact. I do it on every one, wish there was one I could not improve out of the box. I'd use it. Look at all the hassle guys went through to freeze scopes and make adjustable mounts. Jewell's often need work too. I have to recut the sear surfaces quite often to get them to go to 2oz AND not have creep or slam fire. I'll take Bix problems over Jewell problems. The Bix is an easy one. I may do a tutorial on the fix eventually, the last thing I want is a bunch of triggers coming my way. I say all the time theres a lot more to building a good rifle than a bedding and chamber job. I guess that why I dont have a BMW, I take the time to fix all this stuff. I really wish everything was perfect and I could just throw the parts together, Id get a lot more done.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Jackie, theres a lot of things we do to get the best. If we want the smoothest, best shooting action we go through the hassle to time them tune the ignition ensure lug contact. I do it on every one, wish there was one I could not improve out of the box. I'd use it. Look at all the hassle guys went through to freeze scopes and make adjustable mounts. Jewell's often need work too. I have to recut the sear surfaces quite often to get them to go to 2oz AND not have creep or slam fire. I'll take Bix problems over Jewell problems. The Bix is an easy one. I may do a tutorial on the fix eventually, the last thing I want is a bunch of triggers coming my way. I say all the time theres a lot more to building a good rifle than a bedding and chamber job. I guess that why I dont have a BMW, I take the time to fix all this stuff. I really wish everything was perfect and I could just throw the parts together, Id get a lot more done.
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Alex, in my years of Benchrest, I have never had a JEWEL fail. All I have ever had to do was periodically take them off the rifle and flush them out with lighter fluid. Two I have had since the mid ‘90’s. they have seen thousands of rounds.
I really can’t give a good reason why I went to the B & A. I suppose I did something I normally don’t do.
I fell for the hype. I cannot tell the difference in the way my rifles perform.
I am all for trying to improve my equipment. I always considered the original Farley Actions an “action kit”. Due to diligence, my two best shooting rifles are on ‘90’s vintage Farleys that I did a lot of work on.
But there was no basic design flaw. That was sound. The best improvements centered around getting the proper firing pin travel and enough firing pin spring pressure.
When I see a piece of equipment fail prematurely or not function correctly in the venue for which it was built for, that is a design problem.
In your other thread, https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/bix-trigger-fix.4022457/ you show that there is not a design flaw, just a manufacturing problem that can be corrected.
 
Jackie, I reported this to them when I figured it out. That surface has been much better since. For a while it seems we had a good amount of them that were pretty rough. I do believe the Bix is a small advantage, theres slightly less drag on the cocking piece with one and you can get them to under an oz without slam fires. Nothing against Jewells at all. I just prefer the finished product I get with the Bix. Id also rather go through and polish 10 Bix's than recut the sears on one jewell when you get one that you cant get the creep out of. I think once the fix gets around guys will see how reliable they really are. And Im with you on the action thing. I put more work into them then Id like to. But its so important.
 
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I've broken two Jewels. Each time its $60 and 7-10 day wait to get it back. I took apart one this summer and polished the sides with 1500-3000 grit wet sand paper on a granite tablet. The internals parts and the casing were very rough and the tooling marks very distinguishable. So I thought I try the BnA. 150 rounds into fireforming and the FP is falling. The only trigger that has been flawless for me is a TTDiamond.
 
dont know if a BnA TacSport PRO could be modified to go lighter than the base spec of 3.5 oz for BR shooting but mine has been ultra reliable in the field so far. Ive only had it a couple years on a heavy hitting 300 NMI, but from -16 below zero to rain, sleet, and rifle being thrown around in the snow it keeps on tickin’ ;) Like it so much I have another one on the way

In similar conditions, Remington and other aftermarket triggers have failed to perform. Freeze up or fail to cock. i use jewells on a few rifles as well and havent had any issues, but they havent been put thru the abuse my BnA has seen these last couple years.
 
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