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Biting Off More than One Can Chew..

The cost of firearms and shooting has continually risen over the years. There are many classes of firearm from the least expensive to the most expensive. Even the (factory) gun manufactures offer different levels of firearms. What are the differences out there. The less expensive guns have cast, stamped, mass produced metal parts made of the least expensive materials. The stocks are of birch, popular, and injected or roto-molded materials.
The second layer of (factory) firearms are intrution molded, then machined, forged, or machined to production specs, the secondary parts may be stamped or production machined, the stocks may or may not be of a higher quality wood an or molded plastic or fiberglass.
The barrels for both the aformentioned levels of fireararms usually are button/broached, hammer forged, or cut rifled. The materials, attention to detail, gun drilling, reaming and final barrel lapping are minimal at least.

There are folks who wish to modifiy factory actions by correcting defects and defencies and adding after market parts to make them perform at a level above their original manufacture specs. This usually means truing an action, adding a precision ground lug, replacing the trigger, barrel, and stock with aftermarket improvements. The cost of modifing a factory rifle may exceed the cost of building a lessor expensive custom rifle. Getting a donor action often requires purchasing an entire rifle with many parts you will not use and have little resale value.

There are folks who decide to build their dream rifle from the ground up. This usually means a custom action costing from $850-$ 2000.00, a custom barrel costing from $300- $600, a custom trigger, costing $150-$600, custom stock costing from $450-$2000, custom botom metal and magazines. The we have the cost of custom fitting and chambering the barrel, the fitting of the action to the stock, pillar and or glass bedding the stock, installing muzzle brakes and sights. Custom finishes and treaments can be added.
The custom Target rifle usually cost $3000-$6000 to build. The custom hunting rifle usually cost $3000-$5000 to build.

This post should give the person desiring to modify or build a custom rifle some idea of what they are looking at in cost. Recently I had a customer who sat down for two hours and planned out a rifle. He was told the cost of the parts would be approximately $2,900. He had a stroke when the finished rifle cost $3,600.00. He was over 30 years old and a successful business man, one would expect he would know what he was doing. He had worked in a gunshop in Montana for several years. He was told to look on the internet and see what options he wanted on his rifle. It was like he expected me to build his rifle for no labor, tool, machine cost and sales tax. I looked at several of my peers rifle prices and my rifle(s) fell right in line with their fees for simular rifles.

Nat Lambeth
 
Seems like every customer feels that way these days! They expect everyone to fall all over themselves giving their
products and services away because the economy is slow and you should be thrilled that they want to give you 'a
little work'!
Sorry he wasted your time.
 
I sent a "gunsmith" an almost new sendro in 300 ultra, wanted the action trued and barrel replaced with a match barrel in 7 RUM, muzzle brake, bedded and wyatts mag box. After he recieved the gun he talked me into a David Kiff bolt oversized to fit the race way. I was told the gun was ready, and drove to the midwest to pick it up. When i arrived it wasnt finished and we stayed up till 3am finishing it and th "gunsmith" tried to talk me out of several things that he had to install. The gun never shot a group smaller than an inch at 100yds then one day it hang fired, it had been doing this since new i belive. Found out the firing pin had never been set for potusion in the Kiff bolt. The barrel was ruined from the excessive pressure it had been getting for months (never showed on the brass). The fire cracking in the throat area was twice as long on one land than the rest, almost 6 inches. I had the bolt fixed and then had it rebarreled, it will now shot very well. I told you this story so you know it works both ways. You have a job most people would kill for get over your self and enjoy the good ones, laugh at the idiots, enjoy life.
 
It's the way of the world these days.
I marval at some of my customers choices / desires when it comes to thier cars.

"No, the $80.00 Sumitomo tires you saw on Tire Rack will not perform the same as the $240.00 Michliens you Mercedes came equiped with"

Smile and nod, smile and nod.

45Bpcr

Learning slowly but surely to do my own smithing.
Mechanic = Tool junkie
 
Gundog64 said:
State/EPA regs. are really driving up the overall job cost's and people don't realize until they want something done. Then the laws they thought were a good idea hit them square in the wallet.

That's just called Karma!! ;D
 
A little quick math says' that's only 8-12 hours labor depending on the shop rate.

It was like he expected me to build his rifle for no labor, tool, machine cost and sales tax.

My heart goes out for ya Nat. You gotta stay in business, it's what it's all about.

But someone, somehow, should have at least brought to the front an idea of what labor/machines costs would have been prior too the build, ya know? Like a quote? Or he should have asked?? :o

I know sometimes things don't go smooth on a machine, but a customer shouldn't have to pay extra because a tool not running right or something breaks, nor should a smith have to do a bunch of extra labor because someone wants something done too repair a previous botched job or relic.

Some (most?) shops have a fixed rate for certain jobs, with a large sign on the wall, or listing on a web site for costs.

Good luck moving forword,, Lesson Learned eh?
 
been in business over 40 yrs. put the figure's on paper after you and the customer have decided what thet want done ,have them sign the estimate, they get a copy and you keep one.Solves all the confusion when it come time to pay the bill. Good Luck
 
Charles said:
been in business over 40 yrs. put the figure's on paper after you and the customer have decided what thet want done ,have them sign the estimate, they get a copy and you keep one.Solves all the confusion when it come time to pay the bill. Good Luck
By the original post, that's what they were doing.
 
Nat,

Your charges to fit and chamber the barrel and then bed the action to the stock are very fair. I am paying very close to that for a benchrest .22 LR rifle. My parts costs are different from what you stated. But, my smithing costs are identical. I do not believe that I am being ripped off. I know my smith will deliver me a quality shooting firearm built from the parts that I specified.

Keep up the good work,

Cort
 
Let me tell you another story. Friends wanted matching custom hunting rifles. After discussing what they wanted, a custom reamer was ordered to make sure that there were no magazine length issues. Actions (Remington clones) were ordered, as were Krieger barrels. The barrels were chambered by a benchrest shooter/gunsmith, and the chosen stocks barreled actions and Jewel triggers were shipped off for muzzle brakes, bedding, Ceracoating, paint, and pad mounting. The assembled rifles came back to my friends on schedule, and we mounted the bases and scopes. The one hitch is that we had not included the bases when the original metal coating was done, a minor detail that was easily corrected. The bottom line was that my friends were extremely happy with the results, and the accuracy of the rifles was top notch, especially considering the #3 contour barrels combined with short magnum (.270 WSM) chambering. I consulted the project for the fun of it. All of the gunsmiths and component manufacturers were paid their standard prices, and in comparing the cost of the rifles to many offered for sale, that were done under one roof, there was generally a considerable gap. Excellent work is never cheap, but it never hurts to manage a project to contain unnecessary costs. When I am shopping for a gunsmith, I look for someone that does top work, is easy to talk with, and delivers when promised. Having been luckier than most, but having heard stories from several friends, i would also suggest getting it in writing. If a customer has gotten an estimate and the agreed upon work was delivered as promised, I fail to see where there is ANY basis for a complaint of even an attitude. The last thing that I want to see is some talented fellow going out of business because he didn't really understand how much he should be charging to cover his overhead and time. Near as I can see, the only real problem is the uncertainty involved in shipping rifles.
 
All that stuff costs to get and put together. I always get my own parts and send them all into the smith. That really helps with the cost. If I order a part a month I can easily pay for it. Then when the smith calls it is easy to come up with his cash.
 
I hear ya, and hate to say it, but its like that in about any biz.....just a sad state of reality nowadays.
 

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