The Supreme Court used to give a lot of discretion to the states regarding gun control. Recent cases have affirmed the 2A at the federal level but the states continue to try to infringe gun-owners' rights. With the current configuration of the Supreme Court, most if not all of these new laws should and will be overturned. But it takes money and lawyers. Our legacy organization that performed this function used to have lots of members, lots of money and could hire good counsel. It is wounded (self-inflicted) and lacking funds now and the states are ramping up the attacks if only to drain funds.
BIG Trouble in Oregon!
- Thread starter Rick in Oregon
- Start date
I'm pretty sure Washington State has Oregon beat. AAA website says average Oregon fuel price is $3.67; Washington is $4.08. Thankfully the highest prices are in Seattle.
I really hate to see this as I only discovered sage rat shooting a few years ago.
jds holler
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I just filled up my car yesterday, here in Mayberry Oregon, and got the Mid-Blend @ $3.79. That ain't bad - at least compared to a couple miles south of us. jd
jxb
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I decided read the entire IP28 doc via the SOS site and it appeared to me like exceptions were carved out for everything we care about (not according to ChatGPT). Then I asked ChatGPT do a take on IP28, keep in mind this AI app is written primarily by liberals and it stands to reason have imparted their values into it to some degree.
BEGIN DOCUMENT
Question:
review the attached IP28.pdf and as it relates to current Oregon state law and/or generally accepted practices throughout the state: tell me what effect it may have on hunting, fishing, farming, ranching or any other normalized and lawful practice in Oregon
IP28.pdf == 'sos.oregon.gov/admin/Documents/irr/2026/028text.pdf'
ChatGPT response:
[Analysis of IP 28 – People for the Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemptions (PEACE) Act]
Executive Summary:
If enacted as written, IP 28 would fundamentally criminalize many ordinary, currently lawful activities in Oregon, including hunting, fishing, trapping, livestock slaughter and processing, standard farming and ranching practices, animal pest control, wildlife management, and certain veterinary and animal handling practices.
This would occur not by explicitly banning those activities, but by removing long-standing statutory exemptions that currently protect them from being classified as criminal animal abuse or neglect.
The initiative removes the legal concept of “good animal husbandry,” replaces “authorized by law” defenses with only immediate self-defense, expands criminal exposure to fish, wildlife, livestock, and working animals, and creates severe collateral consequences including long-term or permanent bans on animal ownership.
Key Structural Change:
IP 28 removes nearly all statutory exemptions in ORS Chapter 167, including those for lawful hunting, fishing, trapping, veterinary care, livestock slaughter, pest control, wildlife management, rodeos, agricultural research, and good animal husbandry. It directs courts to interpret animal cruelty statutes broadly, overriding conflicting Oregon policy.
Impacts:
Hunting/Fishing/Trapping – Explicit exemption removed. Causing injury or death to wildlife or fish would qualify as animal abuse unless justified by immediate self-defense. Catch-and-release fishing, wounding game, or delayed death could expose individuals to prosecution.
Farming/Ranching – Elimination of good animal husbandry exemptions means routine practices (castration, dehorning, branding, docking, slaughter) could be criminalized. Livestock owners face significant risk of prosecution and potential bans on animal ownership.
Veterinary Practice – While veterinary practices are referenced, they are no longer clear exemptions, increasing legal uncertainty for practitioners.
Pest Control/Wildlife Management – Removal of exemptions exposes landowners and agencies to criminal liability for pest and wildlife control activities.
Fishing/Aquaculture – Fish are explicitly included as animals; harvesting, commercial fishing, and aquaculture operations could constitute criminal conduct.
Broader Effects:
The Act anticipates widespread economic disruption through creation of a Humane Transition Fund, indicating expected loss of jobs and industries.
Overall Conclusion:
IP 28 would remove the legal foundation that allows regulated use of animals in Oregon. It would create widespread legal uncertainty for normalized, licensed, and lawful activities and represents one of the most sweeping animal law changes proposed in the U.S.
Follow-up question:
Analyze likely constitutional challenges
ChatGPT response:
Likely constitutional challenges include:
Vagueness and overbreadth challenges are most likely to succeed, with a high probability of injunctions or partial invalidation.
Final followup question:
If enacted and in use, speculate on the adverse impacts to residents. Especially financially, foods and services to metro areas. Minimally those areas being greater Portland, Salem, Eugene, Corvallis areas.
ChatGPT response:
Speculative adverse impacts include:
Food Supply and Prices:
Disruption or closure of in-state meat, dairy, egg, poultry, and fish producers. Metro areas reliant on Willamette Valley and coastal supply would see increased dependence on imports. Estimated price increases: meat 25–60%, dairy 20–40%, eggs 30–70%, seafood 40–80%.
Food Access:
Expansion of food deserts, especially in low-income urban neighborhoods. Increased strain on food banks and SNAP recipients.
Employment:
Job losses in agriculture, fisheries, processing, trucking, restaurants, veterinary services, and tourism. Reduced tax base and higher unemployment in metro regions.
Restaurants and Tourism:
Menu contraction, higher prices, loss of “local food” identity, closures in food service, and reduced culinary tourism.
Veterinary and Public Health Services:
Higher costs, reduced availability of veterinary care, increased pest populations, and slower wildlife response.
Cost of Living:
Compounding inflationary pressure on rent, healthcare, and municipal services.
Metro-Specific Impacts:
Portland – food price volatility, restaurant job losses, expansion of food insecurity.
Salem – impacts on state workforce and institutional food programs.
Eugene – increased student food insecurity.
Corvallis – disruption to OSU research and extension programs.
Overall:
Metro residents, especially low- and middle-income households, would bear disproportionate financial and quality-of-life burdens even if courts later limited the Act.
END DOCUMENT
BEGIN DOCUMENT
Question:
review the attached IP28.pdf and as it relates to current Oregon state law and/or generally accepted practices throughout the state: tell me what effect it may have on hunting, fishing, farming, ranching or any other normalized and lawful practice in Oregon
IP28.pdf == 'sos.oregon.gov/admin/Documents/irr/2026/028text.pdf'
ChatGPT response:
[Analysis of IP 28 – People for the Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemptions (PEACE) Act]
Executive Summary:
If enacted as written, IP 28 would fundamentally criminalize many ordinary, currently lawful activities in Oregon, including hunting, fishing, trapping, livestock slaughter and processing, standard farming and ranching practices, animal pest control, wildlife management, and certain veterinary and animal handling practices.
This would occur not by explicitly banning those activities, but by removing long-standing statutory exemptions that currently protect them from being classified as criminal animal abuse or neglect.
The initiative removes the legal concept of “good animal husbandry,” replaces “authorized by law” defenses with only immediate self-defense, expands criminal exposure to fish, wildlife, livestock, and working animals, and creates severe collateral consequences including long-term or permanent bans on animal ownership.
Key Structural Change:
IP 28 removes nearly all statutory exemptions in ORS Chapter 167, including those for lawful hunting, fishing, trapping, veterinary care, livestock slaughter, pest control, wildlife management, rodeos, agricultural research, and good animal husbandry. It directs courts to interpret animal cruelty statutes broadly, overriding conflicting Oregon policy.
Impacts:
Hunting/Fishing/Trapping – Explicit exemption removed. Causing injury or death to wildlife or fish would qualify as animal abuse unless justified by immediate self-defense. Catch-and-release fishing, wounding game, or delayed death could expose individuals to prosecution.
Farming/Ranching – Elimination of good animal husbandry exemptions means routine practices (castration, dehorning, branding, docking, slaughter) could be criminalized. Livestock owners face significant risk of prosecution and potential bans on animal ownership.
Veterinary Practice – While veterinary practices are referenced, they are no longer clear exemptions, increasing legal uncertainty for practitioners.
Pest Control/Wildlife Management – Removal of exemptions exposes landowners and agencies to criminal liability for pest and wildlife control activities.
Fishing/Aquaculture – Fish are explicitly included as animals; harvesting, commercial fishing, and aquaculture operations could constitute criminal conduct.
Broader Effects:
The Act anticipates widespread economic disruption through creation of a Humane Transition Fund, indicating expected loss of jobs and industries.
Overall Conclusion:
IP 28 would remove the legal foundation that allows regulated use of animals in Oregon. It would create widespread legal uncertainty for normalized, licensed, and lawful activities and represents one of the most sweeping animal law changes proposed in the U.S.
Follow-up question:
Analyze likely constitutional challenges
ChatGPT response:
Likely constitutional challenges include:
- Vagueness (Due Process – Oregon Constitution Art. I §21; U.S. 14th Amendment):
The Act criminalizes causing injury or death to animals without clear standards for “necessary,” “immediate harm,” or “unnecessary suffering,” encouraging arbitrary enforcement. - Overbreadth:
The Act criminalizes substantial lawful conduct, including hunting, fishing, farming, and pest control, without narrow tailoring. - Single-Subject Rule (Oregon Constitution Art. IV §1):
The initiative combines criminal law changes, wildlife regulation, agricultural policy, economic transition programs, and creation of state funds and councils. - Takings Clause (Oregon Constitution Art. I §18; U.S. 5th Amendment):
By eliminating economically viable uses of livestock and fisheries, the Act may constitute a regulatory taking requiring compensation. - Ex Post Facto / Retroactivity Concerns:
Although not explicitly retroactive, long-term possession bans and penalties may functionally punish previously lawful conduct. - Substantive Due Process:
Interference with the right to pursue lawful occupations and destruction of reliance interests without rational tailoring. - Equal Protection:
Disparate impacts on rural residents, tribal communities, farmers, and fishers, and inconsistent enforcement. - Separation of Powers / Delegation:
Directs courts to prioritize policy objectives over statutory interpretation and delegates broad authority to an oversight council.
Vagueness and overbreadth challenges are most likely to succeed, with a high probability of injunctions or partial invalidation.
Final followup question:
If enacted and in use, speculate on the adverse impacts to residents. Especially financially, foods and services to metro areas. Minimally those areas being greater Portland, Salem, Eugene, Corvallis areas.
ChatGPT response:
Speculative adverse impacts include:
Food Supply and Prices:
Disruption or closure of in-state meat, dairy, egg, poultry, and fish producers. Metro areas reliant on Willamette Valley and coastal supply would see increased dependence on imports. Estimated price increases: meat 25–60%, dairy 20–40%, eggs 30–70%, seafood 40–80%.
Food Access:
Expansion of food deserts, especially in low-income urban neighborhoods. Increased strain on food banks and SNAP recipients.
Employment:
Job losses in agriculture, fisheries, processing, trucking, restaurants, veterinary services, and tourism. Reduced tax base and higher unemployment in metro regions.
Restaurants and Tourism:
Menu contraction, higher prices, loss of “local food” identity, closures in food service, and reduced culinary tourism.
Veterinary and Public Health Services:
Higher costs, reduced availability of veterinary care, increased pest populations, and slower wildlife response.
Cost of Living:
Compounding inflationary pressure on rent, healthcare, and municipal services.
Metro-Specific Impacts:
Portland – food price volatility, restaurant job losses, expansion of food insecurity.
Salem – impacts on state workforce and institutional food programs.
Eugene – increased student food insecurity.
Corvallis – disruption to OSU research and extension programs.
Overall:
Metro residents, especially low- and middle-income households, would bear disproportionate financial and quality-of-life burdens even if courts later limited the Act.
END DOCUMENT
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jds holler
Gold $$ Contributor
And yet -- I believe I've heard that they are already close to the number of signatures (170,000 ish??) required to get this thing on the ballot. 
jd
jd
jxb
Gold $$ Contributor
Of course they are, there's countless libtards out there and most are fully on the path to Idiocracy (see the movie)And yet -- I believe I've heard that they are already close to the number of signatures (170,000 ish??) required to get this thing on the ballot.
jd
jds holler
Gold $$ Contributor
I'll also say - kudos to Chatty for a very unbiased answer to your question.
I find that with very detailed and accurate questions that she doesn't seem to exhibit any symptoms of lib-tardness or explicit political derangement. jd
I find that with very detailed and accurate questions that she doesn't seem to exhibit any symptoms of lib-tardness or explicit political derangement. jd
jxb
Gold $$ Contributor
Yeah later on I'll run the same through Grok and see if the take is the same, my guess is yes. Been a while but the last time I did a comparison between the two they essentially said the same thing although that ask was medical related stuff so more agnostic.
update: Grok's take on same questions (attached)
update: Grok's take on same questions (attached)
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kyotekiller25
Silver $$ Contributor
It's literally 2 cities that do this to the whole state, and only because they have 90% of the population. Portland and Eugene is the culprit, they are the only 2 blue voting cities in the whole state. It's not fair or right that they get to co trol what the whole other side of the state does, when we are literally nothing alike. Eastern Oregon is as Red as you can get, we just have no say or votes because we only count for 10% of the states population. They need to figure out a different way, because this just isn't working anymore. Our governor is about as worthless and crooked as tits on a boar. She absolutely cares nothing about the hard working Oregonians, only the illegalsand blue haired hippies...
jxb
Gold $$ Contributor
It's a lot more than just those two cities, most of the Portland Metro votes with them. Corvallis does too. The BM 114 vote map shows it quite clear where those votes come from. Green is NOT good, but that's where the majority of the votes are. "Greater Idaho" can't happen soon enough.
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kyotekiller25
Silver $$ Contributor
Greater Idaho will never happen. Most of eastern Oregon land and farms are now corporate owned by the bigger guys in the valley. I don't think for 1 second they're gonna let that go. All you have to do is follow the money trail. On top of that, Idaho wants nothing to do with Oregonians, even if it is us conservstives on the eastern side. They still lump us all together in their eyes, which isn't right, but you can't really blame them either. Oregon and Idaho are about as opposites as you can get at this point.
I'm in EO and that's the way I see things anyway. We will always be controlled by the valley.
I don't see why we can't just split the state, east of the valley can be Eastern Oregon, and everything else can just be Oregon. But then again, you still have a good majority of counties on the western side that are still red voting.
I wish I could move, but there's really not a whole lot of choices west of the Mississippi, and there's only a few red states to begin with. Wyoming and Idaho are about the only options to move to for red states, and neither have a very strong workforce or livable wages. On top of that, Wyoming winters are stupid cold and long, it's no wonder only 500K people live in that state, no one wants to deal with that type of weather.
So really what's a guy to do? Feels like we're just kinda stuck and it's only going to get worse at this point.
When election time comes press the ink pen down more and vote harder ! BLAHAHA
jds holler
Gold $$ Contributor
This petition is created and pushed by non-elected bozos.
We have another petition to stop a freaking gas tax that our Governor Tampex is pushing to swindle us out of more money for her fraud and God only knows what. jd
We have another petition to stop a freaking gas tax that our Governor Tampex is pushing to swindle us out of more money for her fraud and God only knows what. jd
The number of our people getting shot, especially the kids getting shot every week, that’s got a good portion of our citizens (I bet a bunch are not shooters, city folk) fired up to do anything- some appear to be in a panic. Yeah some of the proposals are far flung crazy.
I grew up in the 50’s-60’s, There weren’t shootings every day, it woulda made the news..
As shooters maybe we could participate in how to stop the shootings.
This could be a break from beating the dead animal of your choice.
I grew up in the 50’s-60’s, There weren’t shootings every day, it woulda made the news..
As shooters maybe we could participate in how to stop the shootings.
This could be a break from beating the dead animal of your choice.
How do you stop a bat chit crazy mind in anything ?
L.Sherm
Silver $$ Contributor
All this kinda stuff is well funded, organized and orchestrated but like some said the days of sitting around and doing nothing have to be over or else its why these lunatics have what they have they dont.
I’m replying to your part that 2 cities are voting blue and the rest of the state is red as can be. This is the same in Minnesota Minneapolis/St. Paul, Duluth and small portion of Rochester are blue and Out State is red as can be. Sounds like a metro area is the only place they can harvest votes. The arrow head is historically blue due to iron range and Indian reservation in my opinion.
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Steve Donlon
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sooner or later the truth will come out and they will be forced to see that EV's take more energy than any other form of energy and are not sustainable either. Then what will be their next crusade? Birth control?
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