memilanuk
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Care to expound upon that...?
Best rimfire for F class practice- $500
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Care to expound upon that...?
snert
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A 64 for $500 is a dream. I always wanted an old Annie silhouette.
Monte, Certainly. Take a savage mk2 repeater, find that it likes SK standard plus, add a gen one Sinclair f-class bipod. If a good barrel, will shoot 0.3" or better at 50 yd and hover at an inch at 100. Not bad for F-class practice, and btw, rimfire f class 100 yd targets are available. Add a Joe Chacon "j and L" tuner, which follows the Tony Purdy prescription, and note group sizes decreased a significant amount, and more importantly, all shots seem to go with the wind predictably. Scores go up. Hold-offs are reliable. Now you are getting excellent wind reading practice on the cheap and having fun. The ABRA 50 yd target has a 10 ring, actually a dot, measuring 0.100" ( see Autobenchrestassociation). This cheap rifle, with no rear bag, shot a 191 score at 50, after a 2 yr layoff, in a gusty 10-15 mph wind within spitting distance of the bay on the Texas coast, with no wind flags a few weeks ago, to bring it down to hard fact. Seymour
linekin
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I would use the same setup you're using if the Savage isn't it. You'll learn more from it.
Keith
saunaking
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I'm not an FTR shooter (shoot F-open), but thought it would be fun to try the 100 yard F-class league at our club. Purchased an MPR 64 about a month ago and finally shot a match last week. I am shooting it with a SEB joypod and my open rear bag. It was interesting to watch the bullet impacts on the target through the scope (sloooooow
). Not sure if any wind reading skills will translate very well to regular F-class, but I did have to watch the trees and grass pretty close to keep the bullets in the "10" ring. I'm hoping the extra time behind a trigger will help remind me to take a closer look at natural elements on the range instead of just watching flags and mirage..22 rimfire/F/TR is like comparing apples and oranges as said above.
If you MUST purchase a 22, buy new. You don't want someone else's problem. CZ is a good rifle and right at your price point.
If you MUST purchase a 22, buy new. You don't want someone else's problem. CZ is a good rifle and right at your price point.
Old School me: I am still making do with my mint Remington M37 with a 20X Lyman Super Targetspot and my stash of white box Winchester Target. When I stop being able to cover 5-shots at a hundred yards with a quarter it'll be time to take up golf...
It's been a better rifle than I am a shooter since I bought it nearly 30 years ago.
It's been a better rifle than I am a shooter since I bought it nearly 30 years ago.
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
)Just happened to trip across this thread again and I already posted that I'd recommend the Savage TR or TRR models. Well just two days ago, I was at the range with one of my grandson's (11 yrs) who'd never shot a .22 rifle before and I'd been saving a Savage MarkII BV that I'd bought and used periodically to practice when I was still shooting competitively. That rifle BTW now has a suggested retail price of $408 and comes with the "heavy barrel" (not exactly HEAVY" compared to some of my Benchrest rifles). Anyways I'd bought some cheapy ($28.50) Bipod recently off Ebay because my grandson had seen a rifle with a Bipod and he thought it looked "cool." So in an effort to make his rifle "cool" I mounted the Bipod and we headed for the range. Because I had a bunch of ammo left over from my shootin days, I took a box containing all sorts of Rimfire ammo I still had that had everything from top grade Eley, Lapua and you name it, it was there. So after shooting about 15 rds of really down and dirty CRAP rimfire, I pulled out a box of Fiocchi 320 Match ammo and proceeded to see if the cheapy scope was zero'd for the young lad to shoot and hit the target. Though at 50 yds, I was somewhat shocked that this rifle I bought new some 6 years ago ($400) could still put together 5 shot groups that overlapped each other and made me look like I could still compete, even if at a "disadvantage" with this inexpensive rifle and walk away with a very respectable score. That I expected each and every outing from my Anschutz, but not this Savage MKII BV cheap azz rifle.
So the short of this boring and length story, take a look at a Savage MKII BV model that would easily put to shame some of the aforementioned (in previous suggested posts) expensive rifles that I've personally shot against using this cheapy rifle back in the day. The BV is a low maintenance, inexpensive rifle to shoot AND to practice with and which shoots a host of ammo that even the $2,000+ COMP rifle won't shoot as well. Just something to consider for practice.
Alex
P.S. My 11 yrs old grandson then proceeds to put together consistent groups of no more than 2" (at 50 yds) shooting a rifle he's never touched before or shot and has no experience shooting a rifle, other than with a Bee Bee gun. Says a lot for the rifle huh?
So the short of this boring and length story, take a look at a Savage MKII BV model that would easily put to shame some of the aforementioned (in previous suggested posts) expensive rifles that I've personally shot against using this cheapy rifle back in the day. The BV is a low maintenance, inexpensive rifle to shoot AND to practice with and which shoots a host of ammo that even the $2,000+ COMP rifle won't shoot as well. Just something to consider for practice.
Alex
P.S. My 11 yrs old grandson then proceeds to put together consistent groups of no more than 2" (at 50 yds) shooting a rifle he's never touched before or shot and has no experience shooting a rifle, other than with a Bee Bee gun. Says a lot for the rifle huh?
Hoot
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Before realizing that I had to drop a significantly greater amount of money to compete in our local ARA league, I bought a MK II BTVS from the LGS. In a thread describing vetting about 20 kinds of ammo or it, I was truly impressed with how well it shot at 50yd, with some brands of ammo. You've got to put those shots into a small spot at 50yds before taking it out to further distances, needless to say.
Here are two 4-up targets showing what 10 shots at 50yds can do. In the case of the MK II that I bought, it shot SK+ almost as well as Eley Tenex. Both ends of the serious shooting ammo spectrum.
Seriously consider the MK II BV or BTVS for you F-class practice! They offer a great degree of performance for someone on a budget.
Hoot
Boyd L.
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I think equally critical is to consider the SK Standard Plus and Tenex. They seem to make all rifles a little better.
Nice targets.
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
Hoot,
Thx for proving my point on the BV. I just happened to grab the ammo I was shooting that day that was left over. But that baby REALLY shoots lights out when I loaded it with Federal Ultra Match UM1 or UM22 that I used to shoot in the Anschutz. Of course, not many are willing to shoot $20+ per box ammo in a $400 rifle. Unfortunately, the UM1 and the UM22 is all gone and I'm too cheap to buy any UM22 (UM1 no longer available eons ago) just for plinking or teaching the proper mechanics of shooting a rifle.
Good Shooting!
Alex
Thx for proving my point on the BV. I just happened to grab the ammo I was shooting that day that was left over. But that baby REALLY shoots lights out when I loaded it with Federal Ultra Match UM1 or UM22 that I used to shoot in the Anschutz. Of course, not many are willing to shoot $20+ per box ammo in a $400 rifle. Unfortunately, the UM1 and the UM22 is all gone and I'm too cheap to buy any UM22 (UM1 no longer available eons ago) just for plinking or teaching the proper mechanics of shooting a rifle.
Good Shooting!
Alex
Just gona throw this in here.. All the advice given is very sound...
But sticking with the $500 tag. I use a Ruger American rimfire also the savages are good. My Ruger will shoot 5 shot half inch at 50 yards with cci standered velocity shooting off a duffle bag, or better as many times as you want useing a Nikon p-rimfire..
No its not a $1000 target rifle and I built it for 50 yards... It is a pretty good trainer and might do better with better ammo, I don't know I won't pay 10 or 20 bucks a box for .22.. And if you shoot alot of .22 you know the ammo makes all the difference and you have to find what the gun likes..
Just keep in mind there's better for sure but if your trying to stay at $500 and are just wanting trigger time you can buy one of these and a scope for about that price.. If your wanting to compete then maybe it's not the way to go but for that your going to have to increase you budget by alot..
Just my 2 cents...
But sticking with the $500 tag. I use a Ruger American rimfire also the savages are good. My Ruger will shoot 5 shot half inch at 50 yards with cci standered velocity shooting off a duffle bag, or better as many times as you want useing a Nikon p-rimfire..
No its not a $1000 target rifle and I built it for 50 yards... It is a pretty good trainer and might do better with better ammo, I don't know I won't pay 10 or 20 bucks a box for .22.. And if you shoot alot of .22 you know the ammo makes all the difference and you have to find what the gun likes..
Just keep in mind there's better for sure but if your trying to stay at $500 and are just wanting trigger time you can buy one of these and a scope for about that price.. If your wanting to compete then maybe it's not the way to go but for that your going to have to increase you budget by alot..
Just my 2 cents...
I see that there is a Ruger RPR in .22LR for like 500.00.... if you can find one....
I recently added an Anschutz 1411 to my BSA International and Anschutz MS64 .22 rifles. Now my choice of ammo has changed from cheap to middle of the road to expensive. After acquiring several types of Eley, Fiochi, Wolf, CCI, Federal, Norma, Lapua, and Aquila ammo I found that the BSA & 1411 preferred Fiochi & Lapua Biathlon ammo. $14 for a box of 50 for the Fiochi & Lapua is much easier on the wallet than $16 to $23 for Eley. Wolf was close to the biathlon and cheaper (I lost the receipt but think it was about $7.50 a box). The Wolf produced consistant groups at 100yds so I will now go to 200yds and see how it goes. Shooting at 200yds should improve my wind reading skill as I quit BPCR competition almost 10 years ago.
perry42
perry42
I would use my 1957 vintage Brno Model 4 with 20x Lyman Super Target Spot and John Langely 1.5 ounce trigger,,it will shoot RWS50 10 shot groups at 100 in way less than an inch,,more like .6-.7 ,,the X ring on the TQ4 NRA Smallbore target is a breeze..
6-7 years ago I bought 5,000 rounds of Wolf MT for 450$ all the same lot#,,I swear it must have been Midas Plus that somebody put in the wrong box,,I never bought any more WMT that shot anything like that lot did,,
Back around 2006, I traded a CMP H&R M12 and some cash for a very nice Anschutz 1611 prone rifle. I'd been wanting a smallbore rifle to use for prone practice & to exercise my eyes for shooting with irons, and the trade for the 1611 was absolutely the right thing to do - for me. My prone rifles are mostly in Robertson H&H stocks, which I'm told were modeled after the Anschutz prone stock, so the ergonomics were a very close match. And at that time, you could still buy Wolf Match Target & Match Extra w/o much need to look for a good lot # - it all shot pretty darned good.
Fast forward to Feb. 2016, I found myself buying a Stiller 2500XR action, Krieger bbl, Manners stock, etc, to build a 22RF trainer. Also traded my good old 1611 for a near-NIB 2011, That led to the search for better ammo to get the accuracy potential of those two rifles. None of the current crop of Wolf ammo lives up to my expectations, so I tried several lots of SK Rifle Match, and found a lot that was pretty good in both rifles. Then tried some SK Pistol Match, and found it to be every bit as good as the Rifle Match, at a buck a box less. My accuracy needs are driven by the matches we shoot - if the mid-priced stuff won't cut it, then I have to find something that will - hopefully at a price well under what Midas+ or Tenex costs. Either one of the SKs will shoot good enough out of my custom bbls for 80-90% of the shots in the PR matches I shoot, but when we get out to 200+yds, something like Lapua Center-X or Biathlon will usually perform better. I don't want to be missing targets at that distance and not have enough confidence in my rifle/ammo combination to know whether it was me or the ammo that caused the miss.
Fast forward to Feb. 2016, I found myself buying a Stiller 2500XR action, Krieger bbl, Manners stock, etc, to build a 22RF trainer. Also traded my good old 1611 for a near-NIB 2011, That led to the search for better ammo to get the accuracy potential of those two rifles. None of the current crop of Wolf ammo lives up to my expectations, so I tried several lots of SK Rifle Match, and found a lot that was pretty good in both rifles. Then tried some SK Pistol Match, and found it to be every bit as good as the Rifle Match, at a buck a box less. My accuracy needs are driven by the matches we shoot - if the mid-priced stuff won't cut it, then I have to find something that will - hopefully at a price well under what Midas+ or Tenex costs. Either one of the SKs will shoot good enough out of my custom bbls for 80-90% of the shots in the PR matches I shoot, but when we get out to 200+yds, something like Lapua Center-X or Biathlon will usually perform better. I don't want to be missing targets at that distance and not have enough confidence in my rifle/ammo combination to know whether it was me or the ammo that caused the miss.
Very Nice!
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