Powder Valley, Grafs, there are many out there that have specials all the time. http://www.gunbot.net/reloading/Powder/ Sounds like you are looking for .223 and .308 powders. If so try some ArComp I switched from Varget and 4895 love this stuff.I never ordered powder online before. Need an 8 lb keg of IMR4895 & Varget..Where do you guys find the best prices w/ shipping? mike in ct