Best custom action in 700 footprint
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urbanrifleman
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I will ask them. Thanks for the information and answering my questions.
urbanrifleman
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Alex Wheeler
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90% of it is how an action is marketed and who its marketed to. Borden has never marketed to the tactical crowd until now. He just came out with a "tactical action".
Dusty Stevens
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I know that bat b #6 and bat b #455 the engraving lines up with every other bat sb,s, and b that ive ever seen and thats a huge ton of ppc barrels every year that line up.
urbanrifleman
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One thing I found out calling some of these companies to shop actions is that there are some very nice people. Mr. Borden was very nice as were the people at Kelbly and Defiance. All willing to answer my questions. Nice folks!!
Dusty Stevens
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And by the way the reason people always list the short range br crowd as the standard is that those guns are the ones where you can see a difference of .250 on target. If a nut barrel was even remotely acceptable there would be at least one on the line somewhere. If a nut cost you .125 youd never see that at 600yd youd blame the wind
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I keep notes on the actions I barrel so I only need to have them in my hands one time. I record thread timing. Bats are all over the map like most others.
Really? Here are three downsides:
1. At least 1 gauge required to headspace a nut-job. Nothing required to headspace a nutless barrel.
2. Scope must be removed to replace a nut-job. Scope stays in place on a nutless barrel change.
3. No glue-ins.
And here's a bonus, if your time is worth anything to you. Changing a nutless barrel is faster, with the scope, stock, and glued-in action unmolested.
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urbanrifleman
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Not true. At least once the nut is set to the action of course, and Locktited in, place it essentially becomes a shoulder barrel and exactly the same to remove as any other barrel. I switch barrels the same way as any other shooter with a shoulder barrel at the field (as shown in your video).
For the initial headspace on a chosen action all barrels are headspaced the same way. I had the machinist at work modify my nut wrench to make it open ended, I do not have to take off my scope of extended picatinny rail to do the initial headspace on a new barrel any more.
I am really kind of surprised no one has made a nut/jam nut for these barrels.... but red loctite works spectacularly in the application and I have been doing this for years. If you ever decide to change the barrel to a different action you simply hit the nut with some heat the red breaks loose and you start over.
Of all the subjects (even though this is thread about custom actions) the discussion of the "acceptability" that stupid nut or a shoulder, that essentially serves no real purpose except to maintain the headspace on a close fitting action, seems to whip people up into a frenzy of engineering impossibility.
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To remove a nut-job from a glue-in (95+% of BR rifles) you'd have to relieve the barrel channel for the diameter of the nut for the entire length of the barrel tenon. Ugly becomes fugly, and just as pointless as ever when the chamber/fit could be done properly at the outset.
urbanrifleman
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Oh, I know. When I show up to shoot people come up to me and point out that I have an extra inch of relief in front of my barrel nut and refuse to shoot within eyesight of it is so unsightly.
urbanrifleman
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DISGUSTING!!! I am so ashamed.
Urb, since my attempts to educate you seem to have failed, I'll bow out of this thread. When you actually own a proper custom action with a barrel chambered and fitted by a top 'smith, and have learned to shoot it well enough to produce a charge/depth test like the one below from my Panda score rifle (3-shot groups, 100yd), you might make the leap from "opinion" (ubiquitous) to "informed opinion" (all too rare).
Good shooting!
Good shooting!
That is totally disgusting but luckily for you I happen to own waste disposal safe. All I ask is that you pay the shipping to me and once I receive it I'll lock her down in a safe area where you'll never have see her again!
BoydAllen
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One thing seems to have been overlooked that relates to the nut vs. shoulder on barrel argument....clocking. It is my impression that perhaps the majority of top level barrel work is done through lathes headstocks and that many, but not all smiths prefer to do all of their aligning work prior to chambering from the chamber ends of barrels, and as part of that process they clock or index the barrel to the action so that any curve in the bore points up. I do not think that an off the shelf nut style barrel would offer this feature, nor do I think that they would generally be chambered as carefully as top level brenchrest barrels are done by smiths who produce rifles that win big matches. Having said all of that, I have happily shortened the lives of many California ground squirrels with rifles that had and have barrels with nuts, and find that for many applications any difference is lost in the magnitude of other variables.
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