Berger 168gr VLD Lot to Lot HUGE deference

[Jammer Six]

Thanks, Phil!

I don't have any problem with what your specs are. They're far tighter than anything I've produced.

My only objection in this thread was Dave's idiotic suggestion that I "need" to understand your industry. Following that ridiculous logic, I'd need to understand medicine to visit the doctor, dentistry to get my teeth fixed and vehicles to get my brakes done.

 

[dkhunt14]

Thanks, Phil!

I don't have any problem with what your specs are. They're far tighter than anything I've produced.

My only objection in this thread was Dave's idiotic suggestion that I "need" to understand your industry. Following that ridiculous logic, I'd need to understand medicine to visit the doctor, dentistry to get my teeth fixed and vehicles to get my brakes done.

Dave is one of the best in the country. He probably forgot more then you will know. To slam him is slamming everybody on this forum. It must be the liberal logic in you. The dimensions mentioned in this post are really not that bad. Maybe you need to go back and read your posts and the OP. Berger is one of the best bullets out there for a factory bullet and what you said is just BS. It shows your disposition on life. Matt

 

[dragman]

That may be, but it's not the variable that interests me.

I may not understand "...all the nuances that go into the setup and production of bullets." but I understand this: I give you money, you give me bullets that are what you say they are.

You don't understand my business. But I don't ask you to. I just ask that your check clears. If I can't deliver what I tell you can, when I tell you I can deliver it, I raise my price until I can.

Rather than make excuses, I suggest you start stating what you're really prepared to deliver, rather than trying to educate us on your business. I'd have a lot more respect for a manufacturer that stated his/her tolerances up front rather than making excuses for the range of measurements that his/her customers discovered after the fact.

Because I'm not particularly interested in being in your business.

This is just weird and wrong. the difference (which any normal person understands) occurred in two different lots which would nullify your statement of I give you money and you give me bullets that are what you say they are, because in this case he saying they are different lots for a reason! All the bullets of the same lot will be within the industries tolerances and when they are a different lot they can be 20-30 thousands different but all consistent unto themselves heck that is why they print those little numbers on the side to tell you what your buying.

 

[Jammer Six]

whoosh...

 

[Higgsjunk]

Sorry guys. We were off the week after Christmas and have been "digging" out ever since
We use only the highest quality copper and lead available to eliminate impurities or other material issues. Our material vendors have been in their industry for decades. We have regular meetings at their facility and ours to refresh our mutual understanding of our highest material quality requirements.

Our bullet weight tolerances are listed below. The actual results are usually tighter than these tolerances allow:

• 17 Cal to 30 Cal: +/- 0.2 gr
• 338 Cal: +/- 0.3 gr

Our bullet base to ogive tolerances are listed below. It is important to note that measuring this dimension is difficult as the point of contact is a thin and rounded surface. If you find measurements greater than the tolerances listed below please measure the same 10 bullets several times to confirm that your measuring device is reliable and repeatable (many on the market are not). We use a specially developed process which includes custom made gauges to ensure reliable and repeatable measurements. Most reports of bullets outside this tolerance are found to be the result of how they are measured:

• 20 gr to 115 gr: 0.003 ES
• 120 gr to 210 gr: 0.005 ES

All jackets, cores and bullets within a given lot are made with one die to guarantee consistency.

Each bullet is made on a die that is designated for that bullet. This die is set aside and used again for all lots until this one die wears out.

All tooling is precision made using dimensional tolerances in the .00005. Using precision-made tooling is an absolute requirement. The companies who make our tooling are specifically in the precision tooling business. We meet with them regularly to communicate our tooling needs and special projects. Those who understand precision tool making know that these things are possible but not without deliberate effort and experience.
Dave Tooley, John Kielly and gstaylorg posts are spot on. BUT if you have a problem call us ! We will take care of you!
Take care,

Always great to know a company that stays in touch with the "little people" and stands by their product. Thanks so much for your reply.
Brandon

 

[barefooter56]

Always great to know a company that stays in touch with the "little people" and stands by their product. Thanks so much for your reply.
Brandon

You are welcome Brandon! But "little people"? Most certainly not! You all are customers ! Thank you all for using our bullets!