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Bedding a stock.

I've only bedded 2 so far but after messing up it's more like 4. I don't mind considering any bedding I do in the future as a 2 step process where I bed it then do another round of touch up. All with devcon 10110 from amazon and I still have plenty left over. I could probably bed 3 more at least I suspect. I HAD to use a Dremel tool to remove the dried stuff. I will say that once you learn the amounts to put into the stock, what texture you want it to look like before putting action in, mix ratio (I just eye ball a low amount of white and heavy amount of black and mix to color), and clean up techniques, it is an amazing product. Mine look very slick. I did use a couple different products on the action to repel the devcon and say without a doubt kiwi shoe polish is the best for clean up and repeling. II'd also suggest taking a lot of time once you get everything done, right after you screw the action down, to go over the whole bedding area and clean up edges and shove extra into places that appear to need it. Another tip would be to make sure there is enough and it's evenly spreaded enough to avoid creating air bubbles under the bedding. I had it looking perfect at one point and then applied pressure all over to ensure it was solid and found an air bubble. It looks so smooth and slick. Just for my own peace of mind I make sure the action and bedding is clean, not with any sort of oil or something that can assist the sucker in moving. I like the increased surface area so long as I don't think it's slick. I am very curious about this glueing method though, logically it sounds very sound. Probably out of my skill level though.
 
Marinetex does all my bedding jobs. It’s the right consistency, and shrinks less than the others I’ve tried.

Wayne
 
Most of the above recommended products will work perfectly well......IF you proportion and mix properly. I suspect, no, I KNOW most users of epoxy or polyester products feel that proportioning the product precisely is unimportant, especially when it comes to catalysts. Most will grossly over use the catalyst because there is so little of it required they want to be sure they get enough. The results are early failure, excessive shrinkage, cracking or crumbling, leeching of catalyst causing damage to metals and wood. Unlike epoxies, the catalyst is not incorporated or fixed into the final product. It is free to migrate long after the product was mixed, and it oxidizes with age which are some pretty good reasons to use only the correct amount.

But epoxies are quite different than catalyzed resins. They must have the proper proportion of A and B components to cure properly to produce the design characteristics. Most good quality epoxies are tolerant of mix errors up to about 7%. Above that, you're into unknown territory. So mixing Devcon 10110 at anything other than 9 to 1 by weight or the correct volumes will produce a significantly poorer end product than one mixed correctly. Excess resin or hardener will not be used up and will serve to alter the cured product such as producing an unusually glossy surface (that is easily damaged with strong solvents), at the expense of strength and excessive shrinkage as the uncured component dries out with age. I use a gram scale to weigh batches. 20 grams is more than enough to bed an action.

As far as shrinkage goes, a good quality filled epoxy has virtually no shrinkage, again when mixed properly AND no diluents used to thin it out for application purposes. This is the primary reason to keep it tightly sealed and in a cool storage environment as it will dry out with age and become less manageable during use.

I hope this helps.
 
Marine Texas for skim bedding a HS precision or McMillian and Devcon for pillar bedding any stock where the bedding can be a little thicker.
 
Most of the above recommended products will work perfectly well......IF you proportion and mix properly. I suspect, no, I KNOW most users of epoxy or polyester products feel that proportioning the product precisely is unimportant, especially when it comes to catalysts. Most will grossly over use the catalyst because there is so little of it required they want to be sure they get enough. The results are early failure, excessive shrinkage, cracking or crumbling, leeching of catalyst causing damage to metals and wood. Unlike epoxies, the catalyst is not incorporated or fixed into the final product. It is free to migrate long after the product was mixed, and it oxidizes with age which are some pretty good reasons to use only the correct amount.

But epoxies are quite different than catalyzed resins. They must have the proper proportion of A and B components to cure properly to produce the design characteristics. Most good quality epoxies are tolerant of mix errors up to about 7%. Above that, you're into unknown territory. So mixing Devcon 10110 at anything other than 9 to 1 by weight or the correct volumes will produce a significantly poorer end product than one mixed correctly. Excess resin or hardener will not be used up and will serve to alter the cured product such as producing an unusually glossy surface (that is easily damaged with strong solvents), at the expense of strength and excessive shrinkage as the uncured component dries out with age. I use a gram scale to weigh batches. 20 grams is more than enough to bed an action.

As far as shrinkage goes, a good quality filled epoxy has virtually no shrinkage, again when mixed properly AND no diluents used to thin it out for application purposes. This is the primary reason to keep it tightly sealed and in a cool storage environment as it will dry out with age and become less manageable during use.

I hope this helps.
The expertise on this forum is mind blowing. Thanx Texas.
 
Most of the above recommended products will work perfectly well......IF you proportion and mix properly. I suspect, no, I KNOW most users of epoxy or polyester products feel that proportioning the product precisely is unimportant, especially when it comes to catalysts. Most will grossly over use the catalyst because there is so little of it required they want to be sure they get enough. The results are early failure, excessive shrinkage, cracking or crumbling, leeching of catalyst causing damage to metals and wood. Unlike epoxies, the catalyst is not incorporated or fixed into the final product. It is free to migrate long after the product was mixed, and it oxidizes with age which are some pretty good reasons to use only the correct amount.

But epoxies are quite different than catalyzed resins. They must have the proper proportion of A and B components to cure properly to produce the design characteristics. Most good quality epoxies are tolerant of mix errors up to about 7%. Above that, you're into unknown territory. So mixing Devcon 10110 at anything other than 9 to 1 by weight or the correct volumes will produce a significantly poorer end product than one mixed correctly. Excess resin or hardener will not be used up and will serve to alter the cured product such as producing an unusually glossy surface (that is easily damaged with strong solvents), at the expense of strength and excessive shrinkage as the uncured component dries out with age. I use a gram scale to weigh batches. 20 grams is more than enough to bed an action.

As far as shrinkage goes, a good quality filled epoxy has virtually no shrinkage, again when mixed properly AND no diluents used to thin it out for application purposes. This is the primary reason to keep it tightly sealed and in a cool storage environment as it will dry out with age and become less manageable during use.

I hope this helps.
Good info Texas Thanks— I use a kitchen digital scale mixing devcon. You’ve reminded me to get the mixture as close as I can
 
I have used a lot of Devcon, both steel putty and Aluminum putty, I like the Aluminum putty better. I tried a good bit of Accraglass and with atomized stainless powder it's ok but I will likely never use it again.

I went through a gallon of Marinetex in 2 years and I ordered 2 more quarts lately so yes I guess I like it, mainly because of color and the fact I don't need to worry so much about it getting out of date or buying it and it being close to out of date. that's the kicker about Devcon products, make sure of the expiration date before it gets shipped to you.

Marinetex has a more snotty consistency than devcon, not a bad thing, just different.
 
This is why you ask !!!!!!! Some of the better minds on the forum helping me and others - I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF US THAT NEED HELP !!!!!
 
Most of the above recommended products will work perfectly well......IF you proportion and mix properly. I suspect, no, I KNOW most users of epoxy or polyester products feel that proportioning the product precisely is unimportant, especially when it comes to catalysts. Most will grossly over use the catalyst because there is so little of it required they want to be sure they get enough. The results are early failure, excessive shrinkage, cracking or crumbling, leeching of catalyst causing damage to metals and wood. Unlike epoxies, the catalyst is not incorporated or fixed into the final product. It is free to migrate long after the product was mixed, and it oxidizes with age which are some pretty good reasons to use only the correct amount.

But epoxies are quite different than catalyzed resins. They must have the proper proportion of A and B components to cure properly to produce the design characteristics. Most good quality epoxies are tolerant of mix errors up to about 7%. Above that, you're into unknown territory. So mixing Devcon 10110 at anything other than 9 to 1 by weight or the correct volumes will produce a significantly poorer end product than one mixed correctly. Excess resin or hardener will not be used up and will serve to alter the cured product such as producing an unusually glossy surface (that is easily damaged with strong solvents), at the expense of strength and excessive shrinkage as the uncured component dries out with age. I use a gram scale to weigh batches. 20 grams is more than enough to bed an action.

As far as shrinkage goes, a good quality filled epoxy has virtually no shrinkage, again when mixed properly AND no diluents used to thin it out for application purposes. This is the primary reason to keep it tightly sealed and in a cool storage environment as it will dry out with age and become less manageable during use.

I hope this helps.

Good info, especially the part about using solvents with epoxies. They say, "Never say never", but I would recommend that shooters without a degree in chemistry never try to dilute an epoxy product. If you need a lower viscosity, buy a product with lower viscosity. Don't try to cook up your own home brew.

And for polyesters, I can't think of any reason someone would use it in the shooting sports unless you're building a gun case.

Those who are not familiar with the products we're talking about should know that polyester resin is the stuff inexpensive boats are made from. It is, perhaps surprisingly, not waterproof. Think of it as a bunch of long molecules sort of like spaghetti. Where these strands cross one another, they want to naturally bond to make a solid structure. The stuff you buy has an inhibitor mixed in to prevent this bonding while it's sitting on your garage shelf. The catalyst you add just before use simply cancels the inhibitor and the product cures to a solid form. The catalyst, usually methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (MEKP) is not a component in the final part. You can control the cure time with the amount of MEKP you use, the more you mix in, the faster the cure. But, like anything else, there are limits. A little more might be better but a whole lot more is likely to be a mistake. By the way, getting MEKP in your eye is a good way to go blind. Generally speaking you can thin polyester resin with styrene. Polyesters are cheap, easy to use, and not very strong. Polyester shrinks a lot too.

Epoxies, on the other hand are usually stronger and, no surprise here, more expensive. There are many types, but usually they're quite waterproof and don't shrink very much. They use an entirely different way of curing. Think of a 2 to 1 epoxy mix as baloney sandwiches; two slices of bread and one slice of baloney. Ten slices of bread and three slices of baloney doesn't make five sandwiches. That is to say, the ratio is critical. So be careful when weighing or measuring the part A and part B, often called the resin and the hardener. Be certain to use the exact ratio specified by the manufacturer. Caution: The ketones in most epoxies is pretty nasty stuff and prolonged exposure can lead to allergic reactions. Wear gloves and NEVER wash epoxy off your skin with acetone. It will strip the natural oil barrier from your hands, let the ketones in, and sooner or later your hands will look like raw hamburger. If you happen to be a sensitive individual, your entire body will look like raw hamburger. Use vinegar followed by soap and water if you get epoxy on your skin.

Of course, like most things in life, the chemistry of polyester and epoxy products is WAY more complicated than the info presented in the above paragraphs, but I hope it may be of some use to those who have never given much thought to how these products cure.
 
I have a stock that has been pillared and the forend freefloated. My question is what epoxy would you suggest and why that over the other compounds that are available- what’s its advantage. PS: NO fights guys!!
Devcon No 1 Probed No2 Just my two cents Tommy Mc
 

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