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Basic accuracy question.

What are the "standards" for accuracy N number of N-shot groups ?

Some say 5-shot groups, some say 10-shot groups. And of those, how many multi-shot groups 3 - 5 ?

I'm shooting at 100 yard distances for now for working up my loads. I will later go out further 400-600 once I have a solid starting point.

Any suggestions?
 
Well for one, 'accuracy' is defined with one shot. Each shot.
'Grouping' is really another matter, that would qualify based on your intended use.

That is, if you need 10shts tight,, well there's your answer.
If you need to hit what you're aiming at with a single shot, then you better be focusing on accuracy. Right?
 
True, one shot put in the right spot is accuracy. I am looking for the ability to repeat things with consistency. Thus the grouping question.

As many folks (or so it seams) compete on this forum I assumed this would be a good place to ask.
 
You're definitely in the right place for advice about grouping/competitive preps.
I was just fishing to clarify your goal.
 
I tune using 3 shot groups. If it doesn't group at 3, shooting more proves nothing. When you like your 3 shot groups, then you can go to 5.
Butch
 
Thanks for the replies,

when I get good 3 or 5 shot groups how many would roughly = good load 3, 4, 5 , ??

(all at 100yrds for now)
I got a 4 shot group of .133 the other day which I was very happy with .. but how often I can repeat that ? I consistently get .65 - .35 .. but like I say I'm still very much tuning.

I am certainly inclined to stay with the load that got me the .133 but time will tell. As well being a noob to reloading I gather if i get a good 100yrd recipe, that same recipe may or may not be applicable out to 400, 600, or 800 yrds.
 
Try shooting 5 5 shot groups. Clean out a little in between strings with some solvent and patches, Dry out the bore, Then take a fouler shot on the sighter to settle the rifle in. Go for the group and measure the extream spreads This will give you an Agg or average size of the groups. .250 or less is very good, Some are shooting way tighter . Try different seating depths for the tune, also different powder charges.
only change one thing at a time, After a while it will agg smaller.
The main thing is watch the wind"'
 
Thanks for the ideas,

Ill give things a go, and report back with data at a later date. Once I get the base load worked out, then ill move out to distance.

Thanks again
 
You didn't tell us anything about your rifle, what caliber, range equipment you are using or reloading practices. Number of shots in test groups is way down the list. For instance, I have a benchrest rifle that I know is reliable, that I shoot off of a bag/rest setup that is a known quantity, referencing flags as I shoot. If the wind is easy, and I am at the beginning of tuning with a new barrel or reloading component, I see no reason to shoot more than two shots in a group. If a two shot group is not up to standard, a third shot cannot make it any smaller. After I have determined that something interesting has happened, I will shoot groups of more shots, with the understanding that the more shots there are in a group, the greater the certainty that they will not all be fired in identical wind conditions, enlarging the group for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of tune. Loading at the range, is the only way to fly. Many shooters don't use flags, don't load at the range, use shooting styles that are not suitable for their rifle and/or caliber, live with barrel mirage, and are overly concerned with things that will never show up on the target. Like I said, number of shots in a test group is way down the list. To really learn anything from a tuning session, you need a reliable system. If you like, tell us about yours.
 
kritos666 said:
I'm shooting at 100 yard distances for now for working up my loads. I will later go out further 400-600 once I have a solid starting point.

Find something that hits paper at 100 yards, and go straight to the 400-600 yard range. Tune your loads for the longer range if that's what your ultimately trying to do. Once you have a load that shoots good at 600 yards, who cares what it shoots at 100 yards :)

The reason I say that is I spent a lot of time doing load development at 300 yards. I thought I had the perfect load worked up for 1k yard shooting. I showed up at the 1K range, and sprayed lead all over the place. My "perfect" 300 yard load was .3grs of powder too much, and .010 of bullet jam too long for the perfect 1K load. It took a bunch of time at the 1k range to figure that out too. My 1K load shoots between .25" and .5" at 100 yards, and if I do my part it shoots about an inch at 300 yards. (rarely, i'll get a 3/4" group at 300). That's not bad for my taste, but I spent a lot of time trying to get those groups smaller at 100 and 300 before going out to the range where it mattered the most for my application (1k).... ended up being a big waste of time.

just my $0.02...

edit: Always pay close attention to BoydAllen's posts... his post above is a good example of why...
 
Accuracy to me means being able to trust my rifle & chosen load to deliver consistent performance.

I don't shoot benchrest or F-Class in preference to shooting long range off a mat on the ground with rifle secured with a sling & glove.

As such I accept that WIND (factor #1) and my ability to read it (then compensate appropriately), my vision (factor #2) and hold (factor #3) are of greatest influence than the loads I work up (factor #4).

Still it's worth my time & effort (and barrel life & component costs) to find loads that deliver the most consistent performance. I do this most often off a bench to reduce variations caused by factors #1 - 3 above. I'll shoot 3-shot groups when doing ladder-testing to find sweet spots in charge weight, getting chrono numbers at the same time for later ballistic predictions, then refine seating depth with 5-shot groups using the most consistent charge weights. All this is done with a scope set for max magnification, typically at 100 yards, though 95% of my shooting in competition is with match sights.

When evaluating test groups I look for vertical spread first, then a low SD number for each 5-shot groups to confirm. These I've found indicate the most consistent results when it counts for score.
 

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