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Barrel Break In??

Hi, I am new to the competition shooting world. When shooting a new rifle for the first time what steps should I take in making sure my rifle will shoot its best?? Will thease steps be the same for all high powered rifles????? I know I am asking for alot of info so if you know where this info is already posted or a good web page with this info please let me know.

Thanks for the help, Brad
 
most barrel makers recommend a shoot 1 and clean for 5 times, then shoot 3 and clean for a few times, then 5 and clean and so on, but check out Hart or Kreiger or any of the other top barrels makers, they have a more in depth procedure on their break in process
 
Interesting that the 2 features of barrel break-in--at-least-dozens of rounds fired and the use of abrasives--that MacMillan and co. seem to object to most are NOT part of the break-in procedures I've read the last 6 months or so. I can't find Shehane's online right now, but he advocates firing 3 singles and cleaning after each, then 3 trios and cleaning after each trio, and then using a nonabrasive copper remover. I used Montana Extreme for cleaning and still use BoreTech Eliminator for copper removal,and now, bore cleaning too after I tired of ME's stench). IIRC, Bill then advocates cleaning and removing copper after about each 15-25 rounds for the next 100 or so.

I just broke in 2 new Bartlein barrels, and now I clean after each 20 - 30 rounds and use BoreTech Eliminator for all bore cleaning. I leave the rifle in my shop and run a wet patch thru each 3 - 8 hours for days. It's easy, it gets the copper out, and it doesn't wear the barrel.

Bradley, SEARCH the sites of barrel manufacturers; I think you'll find lots of info.
 
You've got to treat high-end custom barrels and factory production barrels differently.

I follow the barrelmakers instructions diligently when breaking in a custom barrel. That way, if there's ever a question or a problem I can go back to the maker knowing that I've done my part. It's a very rare high-end barrel that won't break in within 25 rounds, and I don't think that any self respecting barrelmaker would advise the use of abrasive coated bullets in his product. I can't buy Gale McMillan's claim that barrelmakers are only calling for new barrel break in so that they can sell more barrels. What the heck difference is 25 rounds gonna make anyway? With all due respect to the McMillan family Gale was a very ill man and extremely bitter due to legal problems when he authored his diatribe against barrel break in. It's well worth reading, but should be taken with grain of salt.

I've had some factory production barrels that wouldn't stop coppering no matter how many shoot and clean repetitions I performed. That's about the only time I'd ever recommend the use of abrasive coated bullets. They might smooth the rough bore surfaces enough to remedy a coppering problem, but you'd better be prepared to see the throat quickly advancing toward the muzzle! But what do you stand to lose at that point in any case?
 
Thanks for the help, One more question- Can copper remover
be used to much? Is there some copper removers that are just to strong?? What brand whould you use and how is it best used??
Thanks agian, Brad
 
I'm with Catshooter on this one.

On a precision hand-lapped bore, what is being broken in? I used to do the recommended shoot/clean/shoot/clean/shoot/clean because it is the "thing to do" but I can't honestly say it seemed to make any difference in ease of cleaning, accuracy or bore life.

Now my new barrels start life with a thorough cleaning followed by a swab of colloidal graphite. That's it. Call me stupid.

Tom
 
Sweets 7.62 will eat holes in your barrel if left in to long.
It's best to use it as the manufactures recommend....
Butches Bore Shine has always worked for me.
The main reason to break in a barrel is to smooth the throat transition
after it has been reamed, and you can bet the makers don't polish that part
even if they did cut the chamber.
 
I agree in following the advise of the barrel manufacturer and this can be totally different between them. When I put a Satern Barrel on my Remington, I asked Steve Satern what break in procedures he would recommend. He said that he advised the use of TM Solution and to simply start shooting the barrel as you normally would. He warned not to use any abrasives in the barrel since it would void the warranty. I started shooting this barrel, and after seven rounds it started cleaning easily, and has been cleaning this way ever since, along with great accuracy. I have been with Steve and watched him practice what he preaches with his own barrels on his personal rifles as well and I think this says a lot when you can watch this for yourself from the man who makes his own barrels.

Cordially,
Bob Blaine
 
Hey, I was poking around google and found an ultimate accuracy web site with their version of proper barrel break in!!
What do you think????? Every thing after this is from that web site!!



"Every experienced shooter will have his/her own favourite way of cleaning a barrel. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who doesn't follow my regime - if it works for you, stick with it but if you don't have a method, this one works. Any of the proprietory cleaners are suitable - Hoppes, Butch's, VMS, KG etc. Personally, I like Butch's but always like to add add a small amount of oil,Kroil) otherwise the barrel's almost too squeaky-clean!

Most rifles will go 20 - 25 rounds without cleaning before accuracy visibly falls off. The more accurate your rifle, the sooner you will notice the effects of fouling. Benchrest shooters are probably the most avid barrel-cleaners. Most of us will clean after every match - i.e. after about 10-12 rounds or at least after every two matches.

Here's my method:

1. Always use a bore guide. Use proper size jags, bronze-brushes and pre-cut patches as supplied by Proshot or Sinclair. The old Parker Hale style jags, brushes and 4x2 are not best suitable for modern match barrels.

2. Push a couple of loose-fitting wet patches through the bore to remove the loose powder-fouling.

3. Next use a bronze bore-brush - one stroke for every round fired. Put a little cleaning fluid on the brush if you like. Don't attempt to reverse the brush in the bore and be careful when pulling-back against the crown.

4. Push out the crud with a couple of dry patches followed by a wet patch.

5. Continue with a wet patch/dry patch routine until the patches come out clean - usually after half a dozen.

6. If your bore-cleaner is also a copper-solvent, you may notice a light blue tinge on the patches. If so, I would recommend a clean with a good copper-solvent - like Sweets.

7. Apply the Sweets librally on a loose-fitting patch.

8. Amonia-based copper-solvents need air to work on the copper in your bore so agitate with a nylon brush and leave for ten minutes.

9. Some copper-solvents can be harmful if left too long, so after ten minutes push through a tight-fitting patch to remove the solution and clean thoroughly with the wet patch/dry patch routine.

10. If there is a lot of blue on the patch - repeat steps 7,8 & 9.

11. Don't forget to clean the chamber and especially the neck-area. You can do this with a home-made tool - a piece of dowel with a slot in the end. Wrap with kitchen roll to the required thickness and apply a small amount of cleaning fluid. Dry chamber thoroughly with clean tissue. Pass a couple of wet/dry patches through the bore as inevitably fluid, crud or tissue will have found its way into the rifling.

Running in a new barrel:

This is another process which must be done properly if ultimate accuracy is to be extracted from your barrel. The internal finish of a match barrel will be very good and this part requires little running-in. The part we are running-in is the leade - where the chamber reamer cuts into the rifling and leaves minute machining marks, which look like the edge of a file under a bore-scope. The first bullet up your barrel will have minute fragments of copper scraped-off by the rough leade. Bullet number two will spread these fragments of copper throughout your barrel. They can be very difficult to remove from the virgin rifling. Here's what we do:

1. Shoot the first bullet then push a couple of wet/dry patches through the bore to remove the fouling and copper fragments.

2. Dry the bore and repeat - until you have fired at least five rounds - ten preferably. No need to use the bore-brush at this stage but if you can see copper in the bore at the muzzle-end, this needs to be removed with a good copper-solvent like Sweets. It can sometimes take a good hour to shoot these first five rounds and de-copper the barrel.

3. You can then go to five-shot strings, cleaning thoroughly - including brushing - as detailed above, after each string. Fire four strings. Check for signs of copper and 'Sweets' as above if necessary.

4. We can then go to ten-shot strings - again cleaning thoroughly after each one.

5. After 50 or 60 rounds, the leade will be fairly smooth and you can use the rifle in competition but don't expect the barrel to give its absolute best until about 200 rounds have been fired.

This running-in procedure can be used with factory barrels but the finish of the rifling in a mass-produced barrel is inferior to a match barrel. It will take much longer to run-in the rifling - maybe as much as 1200 rounds - before the barrel stops 'coppering' and gives its best accuracy.
 
Catshooter and Tommie:
I read Gale McMillan's article and broke in a Pac-Nor 3 groove .308 Super Match without the tedious break in process and observed the throat and rifling with a Hawkeye borescope very carefully. As in any barrel, the tiny circumferential marks left bt the reamer were apparent. I shot five rounds, cleaned with Bore Tech Eliminator, followed by dry patches that came out clean, ending with a wet patch of Lock Eeze. I continued this cycle for three more times bringing my total of twenty rounds through a brand new barrel. Examination with the Hawkeye showed my cleaning was effective with minimal copper. I then started my load development and clean after twenry rounds; which is my normal cleaning regimen for a custom barrel. I'll use the borescope to dictate my break-in and cleaning regimen but I will no longer go through the tedious one shot clean cycle I used to perform.
Chino69
 
Chino69-

Feels good to free yourself from that "break in" process, no? I've become a real believer in Lock Eeze. Between that colloidal graphite and the baby-smooth bore of a Pac-Nor, there just isn't much to mop out after firings. Usually I get little more than powder residue on the cleaning patches.

One other note: I was surprised how much the "copper fouling" signs disappeared when I switched to nylon bore brushes. Heck, running a bronze brush covered with solvent never made sense to me anyway.

I own my guns, not vice versa. If ignorance is bliss, I'm delighted!

Tom
 
Tommie said:
Chino69-

Feels good to free yourself from that "break in" process, no? I've become a real believer in Lock Eeze. Between that colloidal graphite and the baby-smooth bore of a Pac-Nor, there just isn't much to mop out after firings. Usually I get little more than powder residue on the cleaning patches.

One other note: I was surprised how much the "copper fouling" signs disappeared when I switched to nylon bore brushes. Heck, running a bronze brush covered with solvent never made sense to me anyway.

I own my guns, not vice versa. If ignorance is bliss, I'm delighted!

Tom

Yeah Tommie,
I don't like wasted motion. Every one of my rifles gets a wet patch of Lock Eeze after cleaning with the bore drying, muzzle down. I'm on my third Pac Nor barrel and am very pleased with the overall quality. Buying a borescope was one of the best investments I've ever made; it ends alot of opinions.


Chino69
 
chino69 said:
Tommie said:
Chino69-

Feels good to free yourself from that "break in" process, no? I've become a real believer in Lock Eeze. Between that colloidal graphite and the baby-smooth bore of a Pac-Nor, there just isn't much to mop out after firings. Usually I get little more than powder residue on the cleaning patches.

One other note: I was surprised how much the "copper fouling" signs disappeared when I switched to nylon bore brushes. Heck, running a bronze brush covered with solvent never made sense to me anyway.

I own my guns, not vice versa. If ignorance is bliss, I'm delighted!

Tom

Yeah Tommie,
I don't like wasted motion. Every one of my rifles gets a wet patch of Lock Eeze after cleaning with the bore drying, muzzle down. I'm on my third Pac Nor barrel and am very pleased with the overall quality. Buying a borescope was one of the best investments I've ever made; it ends alot of opinions.


Chino69
 
I have a question about the Lock Eeze? Do you run a dry patch before the first shot or do you just leave it in the barrel and fire. I always run a dry patch thru the bore to remove any gun oil. Thanks for your answers. This forum is a wealth of info
Thx
Jeff
 
I don't run a dry patch before firing. That being said, I do allow the petroleum distillate carrier to evaporate before I send a bullet downrange. But keep in mind that I'm talking about stainless steel barrels and I don't use gun oil in the bore.

I believe,along with many other shooters) that the colloidal graphite serves two purposes. First it is a dry lubricant - that's why it's so good at opening up rusted locks. Secondly the graphite particles get ironed into any microscopic imperfections in the bore when the first round is fired. I have no proof that the graphite is doing what I think it's doing. However I do know that a few nice benefits suddenly appeared when colloidal graphite became part of my regimen. Bore cleaning is easier and is required less often. Additionally, the need for a fouling shot after cleaning has essentially disappeared.

Tom
 
My local Ace hardware store. They didn't normally keep it in stock, but ordered a case for me. BTW, a bottle will last a LONG time. I've also seen it for sale on some internet sites.
 

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