Auto dispensers good enough for long range?

[kombayotch]

I'm a little confused as to why some think the chargemaster would not weigh accurately. You can double ck the charge that the unit throws by merely lifting the powder pan and then setting it back down to verify the charge weight. This will tell you if it differs from the first reading. What you are looking for is consistency in your powder charges. I fail to see how this can be improved on. If you use the same powder dispensing and weighing equipment all the time, plus repetitious procedures, your weights are going to be consistant to that equipment. Larry

You don't even have to do that step. Just verify that the display reads -(empty pan weight) when you remove the pan. If it weights anything but that, dump the charge back in the hopper. If there has been an offset or a change in calibration, the chances if it displaying the correct negative empty pan weight are astronomical.

 

[bozo699]

I have two 1500 rcbs rangemaster combos and one new chargemaster they are very good dispensers and plenty accurate enough for normal hunting applications and sort range BR, they WILL NOT acknowledge single kernel measurements PERIOD! if you fellas like them that is fine, I like mine as well but don't try to pass them off as something they are not!,....(Extremely Accurate)
because there not! even there own scale tells you that, drop 10 grains of powder in the pan, then take a pair of tweezers and drop one kernel of powder at a time in the pan, it may register and again it may not, usually not and you can usually drop several kernels in before it will change BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY DESIGNED TO BE ACCURATE TO THE NEAREST 0.1 not .01 not .001 or .0001 like high quality scales do, so please quit trying to pass them off for something there not. There are carpenters that frame houses that a 1/4" is close enough and that is fine for framing for many carpenters (not me) but a cabinet maker works in the thousands of a inch scale, reloaders are the same, some shooters are happy with a Lee scoop system and others a chargemaster and others that like total precision (like me) want each kernel to be noticed, at 1000 yard and beyond every foot per second difference means vertical rise or drop, each kernel of powder will change the speed a little, I can dope for the wind but I can't guess how fast my bullet is going I have to KNOW and that is why precision reloaders need better precision then a $300 combo dispenser/scale can give you. Because your satisfied with less precision I won't and don't fault you, if close enough is in fact close enough for you that's fine but don't find fault with people like me and many others that want and need the most precision one can obtain and it DEFINITELY can't be obtained with a chargemaster Thats all.
Wayne.

 

[potatoe]

Bozzo, (btw I'm not insinuating this to be correct just wondering) If someone wanted to take the extra time to try to squeeze out extra accuracy of the chargemasters. Say I wanted 32 grains of powder, and I set the scale to drop 31.9 could I then trickle stick by stick till it turned over to 32? Have you ever tried to see if this was accurate? Once again I'm not saying this works, just seeing if someone wanted to take the time to squeeze the most out of their equipment.

 

[CZ550]

I bet those are some expensive cabinets!!!!

Seroiusly I use a chargemaster and even though it will probably throw charges more accurately than I can hold or judge wind. Bought .01 scale and a Omega. It's more of a confidence thing for me.

I got in a habit of throwing charges short with my chargemaster then lightly tapping on the tube to drop last few kernels. Works pretty good however when I see several kernels fall and weight change I know it's not precise. Sometimes 3 kernels weigh .1 and sometimes 7 kernels weigh .1.

Some people can shoot an aspirin out of the sky with a longbow. I'm not one of those people I need all the help I can get.

 

[jamesh]

I think the Chargemaster is perfectly acceptable for other long range BR shooters to use. In fact I would prefer that others use it.

James

 

[bozo699]

Bozzo, (btw I'm not insinuating this to be correct just wondering) If someone wanted to take the extra time to try to squeeze out extra accuracy of the chargemasters. Say I wanted 32 grains of powder, and I set the scale to drop 31.9 could I then trickle stick by stick till it turned over to 32? Have you ever tried to see if this was accurate? Once again I'm not saying this works, just seeing if someone wanted to take the time to squeeze the most out of their equipment.

Yes sir I have tried and actually done it that way until I got a tuned scale, and yes it does work, however is 31.94 or is it 32.06 or what is it really? for standard reloading practices the chargemasters are perfectly fine and as I stated for short range work and mid range hunting loads and if you do a little tuning to the rangemaster,...mostly just the straw trick really helps it from over throwing charges. I have proven it to myself that getting the loads exact improves the groups at 1000 and beyond, someone stated that the wind was more important to read then the powder charge, probably true but if we did things that way then where would we be, Oh it's with in a half inch of where I want POI, and I am within a grain or so on powder pretty soon we wouldn't even hit the backer at 1000 yards,..so with being said and I am human and make errors then yes I want every thing else as perfect as possible. so for me, and long range work NO the chargemaster alone isn't good enough.

I bet those are some expensive cabinets!!!!

Have you ever priced a set of custom cabinets? well you can start at about 10K and go up as far as your thoughts can imagine or you could just by the chargemaster of cabinets at home depot made out of particle board for about $2500-5K maybe a little more, or you could go with the Lee of the cabinets and use milk crates and ammo boxes

I think the Chargemaster is perfectly acceptable for other long range BR shooters to use. In fact I would prefer that others use it.

James

And I absolutely agree with this whole statement ;D
Wayne.

 

[deadlyswift]

It's a matter of different minds seeking different levels of precision loading.