Mark W
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Can you share some info on the bag rider? I've been thinking about one to use on my new AR an I like the low profile of that one.
ARs for Varmints--Pros and Cons
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Can you share some info on the bag rider? I've been thinking about one to use on my new AR an I like the low profile of that one.
itchyTF
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Ledd Slinger
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I believe EGW is the only one that makes them in mass production for dealers. Not 100% on that tho. I'm sure there's some other small shop made custom bag riders out there
Gracious, this forum is about "varminting and hunting" not about killing or combat!!!!!!!
ES&D
Did you see his screen name? He is stuck in the past. He would rather have a rifle that slows a person down and allows less performance.
Hunting and modern combat do have some similar demands. The ability to change your rifle to the task at hand is a must.
First get an adjustable gas block to reduce recoil," see hits better" and so the brass does not fly as far. The get a brass catcher bag. Pro's. In a big dogtown, you can destroy far more dogs. They are for the most part quite accurate. You allow your favorite bullet and powder maker to sleep better at nite. One lower, many uppers, unless you want to buy more lowers. Easy to customize to your exact specs.
Cons. Trigger, can be made good "for an AR", but jewel they are not. Unless it is a gas piston, they are pig dirty, but then you just clean them, so... Stigma. Well I guess that could go in both Pros and Cons. Lastly you make your favorite bullet, powder maker sleep better at nite, and especially your brass maker happier.
Cons. Trigger, can be made good "for an AR", but jewel they are not. Unless it is a gas piston, they are pig dirty, but then you just clean them, so... Stigma. Well I guess that could go in both Pros and Cons. Lastly you make your favorite bullet, powder maker sleep better at nite, and especially your brass maker happier.
ARs are MORPHODYKES....at best!
Possibly Morphodykes means fantastic varmint rifles?
AR's can be great hunting rifles. They can be fitted in calibers that are good for varmints, deer, and even elk at appropriate distances with the appropriate ammunition and caliber.
They are probably not the "best" at any job, including that of a battle rifle outside of "normal" combat scenarios.
They are probably not the "best" at any job, including that of a battle rifle outside of "normal" combat scenarios.
Totally agree with this. I am building another for a June Wyo hunt, and I have to believe it will be fun, in dogtowns that have not been shot at any if much at all. I have always used bolt guns before, but I can only say the other 2 I have shoot quite well, on paper. Whats not to like about a .223 that shoot sub 1" in a varmint gun?
Rick, I like your style ! And extra points for spelling " morphodyke" correctly
Anyone that hunts with an AR oughta be whipped with a cat-o-9-tails!!
I truly hope you are joking. Granted if someone came at me with one of those I would just put them down.
Caldwell makes a 2-piece brass catcher. One piece fits on your rail, the other is the bag with a piece that slides onto the piece on the rail. The bag is adjustable front to rear, so no matter where you place it on the rail, it will still cover the ejection port. Another benefit is that you can buy just the piece that fits on the rail. Thus using one bag for multiple rifles. I was on a 3 day prarie dog hunt last week using 2 ARs and one bolt gun. The second day, I used my Precision Firearms 6.5 Grendel with a muzzle break. I spotted one dog that I couldn't range, but I knew it was over 300 yds away. So I went to my 300 yd mark on the scope and added a bunch of clicks to it. My first shot was quite high, and the dog was not spooked. So I reached up and came down 3 clicks and shot again. I could see that I had cut the distance in half, so I came down another 3 clicks. That shot resulted in a flying dog. He was so far away that the sound of the shot didn't bother him, and apparently the bullet passing overhead didn't either. The heavy bbl and muzzle break allows me to see all my shots. In another situation that day, there was mom and a whole bunch lof pups sitting on a mound. This one I was able to range accurately, and zero my scope for them. I took out mom first, and the pups just ran around not knowing what happened, or what to do. I took out 3 more pups, before the last one figured out that he'd better get in the hole. I love my bolt gun, but I don't think I could have made these shots with it as easilly as I did with the Grendel. I wwent through 2 boxes of ammo that AM, scoring over 80 hits. The previous PM, I shot less than half a box with my bolt gun, but a little higher success rate. I'll still take the AR!
George Wilson
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Try the .240 Tomahawk. Mine has a 24" SS Match Grade Fluted Barrel 1/10" Twist from Keystone Accuracy that shoots BIB 70gr. BTHP's very well. See picture.Hey guys,
We're working on a NEW,much-asked-for) .223 Rem Cartridge Guide.
One sub-topic we'll cover is AR15s--for both match rifle shooting and varminting.
I've gone squirrel shooting with my AR. I concluded that, while it is fun to use a magazine, the AR would not be my first choice for future varmint expeditions. Didn't like the stock length/height when shooting from the ground, didn't like the way the gun sat on the bags when shooting from the bench. I also hated chasing the brass.
That said, I know a lot of guys love to use ARs for Varminting.
Let's hear both sides of the debate.
If you like the AR as a varmint platform, tell us why.
If you think an AR15 is over-rated as a varminter, explain.
Let the debate begin...
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I watched a man at the range test at least 20 different hand loads with his new AR and custom match barrel. He impressively had some groups under .5" @ 100y. He was thrilled. I was impressed. Some guy came up and asked him about his rifle. They talked and he volunteered to let the passerby shoot the AR. This guy pulls out a heartbeat monitor and puts it on his finger. He shoots 3 shots in a slightly ragged hole and compliments the gun. Group was easily in the .1's. Proved to me that AR can be damn accurate and that it matters greatly who is shooting them. I think they are very cool. I hate hearing someone dump 30 rounds in rapid succession. I don't need one but have occasionally considered buying one.
Hey guys,
We're working on a NEW,much-asked-for) .223 Rem Cartridge Guide.
One sub-topic we'll cover is AR15s--for both match rifle shooting and varminting.
I've gone squirrel shooting with my AR. I concluded that, while it is fun to use a magazine, the AR would not be my first choice for future varmint expeditions. Didn't like the stock length/height when shooting from the ground, didn't like the way the gun sat on the bags when shooting from the bench. I also hated chasing the brass.
That said, I know a lot of guys love to use ARs for Varminting.
Let's hear both sides of the debate.
If you like the AR as a varmint platform, tell us why.
If you think an AR15 is over-rated as a varminter, explain.
Let the debate begin...
My experience with PDs and ARs:
Where we shoot, near Glenrock, WY, the last 30-45 minuets of shooting light the dogs are out in force. So I think to my self, why not a gas gun? Before our next years trip I buy a DPS varmint AR some 10 round mags and load some reasonabley accurate ammo.
Come our next trip, ten years ago, cannot wait for dusk. Sure enough, the dogs come out like cockroaches at just over 200 yards 6 or 8 on a mound. Charles is spotting and ranging for me so I take one, another one comes over to check on Fred, who is still kicking a little, so I take him. Is this great or what? The others spread out a bit but one runs, game over, the next eight rounds went after the runner. If he hasn’t died of old age he is still laughing at me.
Got a DPS Varmint with maybe 500 rounds through it. Anyone????
If they run you chase ‘um.
Maybe that’s just me,
Jarbaby
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