Arbor press, Harrell or Sinclair?

[thefitter]

They look pretty much the same:

http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=37764/Product/Sinclair_Arbor_Press#

http://harrellsprec.com/index.php?crn=205&rn=382&action=show_detail

And didn't Wilson used to make one?

 

[artbosco]

They look pretty much the same: http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=37764/Product/Sinclair_Arbor_Press# http://harrellsprec.com/index.php?crn=205&rn=382&action=show_detail And didn't Wilson used to make one?

If you're asking which one to buy, I recommend the Harrell's. Plus, you'll pay less.

 

[RJBain]

I use the R. W. Hart arbor press. It's a nice, well built press.

http://www.rwhart.com/store/proddetail.asp?prod=RWH-F-H16

 

[thefitter]

They look pretty much the same: http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=37764/Product/Sinclair_Arbor_Press# http://harrellsprec.com/index.php?crn=205&rn=382&action=show_detail And didn't Wilson used to make one?

If you're asking which one to buy, I recommend the Harrell's. Plus, you'll pay less.

Yes I noticed that is was less money. Why else do you recommend it? Thanks

 

[bozo699]

thefitter,
I have had good results with Sinclair products, when purchasing quality equipment, the price is usually never my lead concern, how fast I can get it and when I get it, it better work!! But as Outdoorsman mentioned the harrels is less money and you always here BR shooters mentioning them. German Salazar suggested the 21st century arbor press to me and I value his opinions he also did a write up on this press. 21st Century Shooting,
http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/search?q=arbor+press
I actually would suggest you look @ one more, I am sure I will end up with one of these and thats the K&M with seating pressure gauge, but you will pay more for it and I don't believe it is as user friendly.
http://www.kmshooting.com/catalog/arbor-press/arbor-press_with_force-measurement_and_dial-indicator.html
I probably have just confused you more but thought I would through out a couple of more options. I actually think any one of these presses would do you a good job, good luck to you on your choice sir.
Wayne.

 

[artbosco]

They look pretty much the same: http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=37764/Product/Sinclair_Arbor_Press# http://harrellsprec.com/index.php?crn=205&rn=382&action=show_detail And didn't Wilson used to make one?

If you're asking which one to buy, I recommend the Harrell's. Plus, you'll pay less.

Yes I noticed that is was less money. Why else do you recommend it? Thanks

Because Lynwood and his brother make a variety of fine products and are known within the short-range benchrest community for quality workmanship and excellent service. Plus, they're down right nice folks to deal with.

 

[thefitter]

I have noticed that there are different styles of "ratchets?". The Harrell and Sinclair looks circular and the Hart and Haydon looks square. How does that affect the function? Thanks

 

[bozo699]

The reason I would suggest the Harrels over the Sinclair is that precision is always on the top of Harrels list, and I think this arbor press is no exception. Quote, Our new arbor press has very smooth ram action. This is accomplished with the use of brass pinion gears and brass pinion shaft bushing.  The base is made from nickel plated steel. Remaining parts are from aircraft quality aluminum and stainless steel.Quote.
Wayne.

 

[in2deep]

Before the arbor presses were used weren't the hand dies actually used by hand or struck with a mallet since theoretically the die holds the case and bullet in alignment making the means of pressing the 2 parts together sorta moot?

 

[bozo699]

in2deep,
Arbor presses have been around for hundreds of years, the reason for the press over the hand or hammer IMO is the smooth repeatability of the high end arbor presses to reduce yet another one or two variables.Its hard to regulate how hard you are hitting something with a hammer or the palm of your hand.
Wayne.

 

[jonbearman]

+1 for bozo,I couldnt agree more. I built my own several years ago and it is heavy and wil probably buy a harrels shortly for portability.

 

[338Lapua]

I have a Harrell, the Sinclair would be very similar in quality but chose the Harrell because there other products are top quality. Heres a couple of pic for a closer look.

 

[commando57]

I have never seen one of these in the "flesh" but how do you get the case out of the die after you press them together (no shell holder)? Thanks for answering a dumb question.

 

[Joe O]

http://harrellsprec.com/index.php?crn=205&rn=386&action=show_detail

Here's a combo press that Harrells offers.Looks practical.

 

[artbosco]

I have never seen one of these in the "flesh" but how do you get the case out of the die after you press them together (no shell holder)? Thanks for answering a dumb question.

The only dumb question is the one not asked. The seated round with case, either slides out of the die on its own or sometimes a fingernail caught on the case rim gently brakes it loose.

Here's the type of die used with an arbor press: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=615461 . Click on the picture for a better view.

 

[bozo699]

commando57,
As outdoorsman said the only dumb question is one not asked, especially here on 6br. By the way welcome to 6br Here is a link to a you tube video to show you how the inline wilson n/k sizing dies work on a arbor press. Hope this helps.
Wayne.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if_Xt8SH0bc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58q63zNHK6w&feature=related

 

[woolenmammoth]

I have a K&M and while its a great press, if you have to adjust the height (if you load say 6br and 223 parent cases) then having to adjust the 4 allen screws gets to be tiring.

 

[bozo699]

I have a K&M and while its a great press, if you have to adjust the height (if you load say 6br and 223 parent cases) then having to adjust the 4 allen screws gets to be tiring.

woolenmammoth,
I think that is the only complaint I have ever heard about the K&M but it seems to be the consensus.Do you have the Force Measurement Option on your press and if so do you like it and was it worh the added cost?
Wayne.

 

[artbosco]

Wayne,

I tried the Force Measurement option but sent it back. It had an unusual feel to it. I believe the spring design within the option itself was the cause. I just couldn't get used to it.

 

[itchyTF]

I bought the Harrell, but it was a "beefed up" version according to them. It's not listed on their web site but was told about it when I spoke with one of them (can't remember who it was). I think the handle is longer and some of the innards were different.