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Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting (book) suggestions for 2nd Edition

Bryan Litz Ballistics

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I'm looking ahead to the second edition of my book: Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting. It's always been the plan to test and publish BC data on more bullets. I would like to take requests about what additional bullets you guys would like to see tested and included in the next edition

Also, if there is any other material you would like to see covered, or existing material covered differently, please let me know. I won't be able to incorporate all suggestions, but I'll certainly try to work in the more popular subject matter.

Thanks for your assistance in improving this resource.

-Bryan
 
Bullets:
-New Hornady bullets
-JLK bullet
-Matrix Ballistics VLDs
-New pointed 115 DTACs
-New Nosler Custom Competition bullets

Topics:
-More on wind
-More info on subsonic ballistics
 
Wood be great if you add the BC for tippet bullet in the most popular long-range calibers
Like 6,5mm 7mm and .30
 
Re: Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting (book) suggestions for 2nd Editio

I'd like to see the 200 grain Accubond. I used the first book to estimate the G7 BC on this bullet and I'd like to see it actually tested.

Thanks
 
I'd like to see some aggressive testing on the benefits of meplat tuning IE the meplat uniformer for putting an even cone on the tip of a match bullet, as well as the ballistic differences between a bullet from the factory as compared with the tuned bullets.
It would give an interesting perspective on the cost vs benefits of doing that, and I'm sure that you could cover the physics and theories behind it in better depth than I've seen in articles so far.
 
Hi Bryan.

? possible to include info on:
affects of neck tension - is there a "best" tension, how do you determine?
A definitive article on bullet pointing/ meplat trimming for 800+ yard ranges.
Moly/Danzac/whatever bullet coatings.

Your current book has been of immense significance to the improvement in my long range shooting, so i look forward to the next edition

cheers
Maurice
 
Well, analysis of various bullet designs as they cross the trans-sonic velocity range, the effect of twist rate on stability as they cross the trans-sonic region, and maybe a little info on subsonic balistics.
 
For those interested in the effects of meplat trimming and pointing, this is discussed in the current edition, pages 280 thru 282.

It's also addressed at the end of this article:
http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/7mmNumberOne.pdf

I will try to include more test results for specific bullets pointed in different ways now that more options are becoming available.

Thank you,
-Bryan
 
I have not read the first edition, so sorry if this has already been covered. :-[

I find the gyroscopic rise and drop due to side winds interesting. However, there seems to be little material out there on how to quantify the effect. The best I have seen so far was in Harold Vaughn's Rifle Accuracy Facts. He does quantify the effect to some degree, and suggests at 100 yards the gyro effect is about 1/3 the wind drift, but is linear with range, unlike drift. He also suggests the effect is proportional to stability factor. I had a wind rosette that I just could not believe was real. See this:

WindChart.jpeg


It has a huge step change from a wind at 12:00 to one at 1:00, as well as from 6:00 to 7:00. Vaughn claims a pure head and tail wind has insignificant effect on trajectory, and I concluded that chart was wrong. Here is my doctored version based on Vaughn info.

WindChart6BR.jpeg


It would be nice to shed some informed light on this aspect of reading the effect of wind, including the gyroscopic effect.

The other area that I think is lacking technical credibility is the methods to calculate stability of bullets. There are a few different formulas out there, and all seem to give different answers to the same question. For example if I use the Don Miller formula to calculate the stability of Berger 6 mm flat base bullets, at the Berger recommended twist, I get stability factors as low as 1.07 and generally about 1.1. That contrasts with the commonly recommended 1.4. On top of this it is not hard to find testimonials that the even the Berger recommendations are too conservative. For example those getting excellent accuracy with the 6 mm 68 grain in a 1:14 twist, while Berger recommends a minimum of 1:13.

There is also the issue of stability vs speed. It is true that if the bullet is stable at the muzzle it will always be stable, due to the fact that the bullet forward velocity slows much faster than the spin velocity? Even after it goes subsonic?

Hope this helps some,
 
bryan,
Lapua D46 in 170,180,190 gr rebated boat tails please. when can i order my second edition? Happy Holidays!
Cheers,
Doc
 
Hi Bryan,

any chance of - ES/SD reality vs the numbers

Bullet sorting - does it make a difference, if so on what measurement and what tolerances

Probably these two are application dependant.
 
Bryan - really appreciate the time & effort you expended in coming up with the G7 BCs in the 1st edition, as well as the emphasis on calibrating for actual iron & scope sight click values. Also got a lot of good out of the inclusion of the spin drift function in your PMBS ballistics program - always wondered how much difference to expect in no-wind zeros for various bullets at 600 & 1000yds.

Bullets I'd like to see tested for actual G7 BCs include Hornady & Lapua 6.5mm 123s, or at least a paragraph or two on how they both compare to the S123MK that you included in the 1st edition. Would also like to see BCs on the newest Berger LR BTs & hybrids as they become available.

As an aside - could you put a bug in Eric's ear about coming up with a LR BT or Hybrid design to replace or complement the 6mm 115 VLD?
 
Great that you openly consult everyone before going ahead.

I would like to see G7 BCs for Matrix VLD bullets (6mm, 7mm and 308)

I look forward to reading the 2nd Edition.

Thanks.
 
Bryan-

Some great ideas have been given. Now the "pregnant" question.

When do you anticipate that the 2nd Edition would be available for purchase?

Thanks

Bill
 
One of my other hobbies is flying. One night last year I was messing around with my flight computer and doing calculation for crosswind component, with regard to crosswind component we usually refer to charts but flight computers can also do it and very accurately. I did all these calculations to make this table:
crosswind_comp001.jpg


It's a little difficult to get the hang of how to use it initially but it's accurate from my knowledge on the subject.

- The inner most numbers are the clock direction of wind

- The middle numbers are clock position translated into heading direction - this was necessary to convert clock position into heading because the flight computer can't do the calculations using clock position - only heading. It's not detrimental to using the chart, only for calculating the figures for making the chart.

- The outer most numbers Represent wind speed - I used a 10MPH wind for ease of calculating percentages - a 10 MPH headwind has no crosswind componant, 90 degree has a full value being 10 MPH, 10 Oclock 8.7 MPH, 11 Oclock is 5MPH etc. and 10 MPH = 100%, 8.7 = 87%, 5 = 50% etc. You can see the degree away from a 90 degree crosswind is all the same no matter if it's a head or tail wind - for example, 10:00, 2:00, 4:00 and 8:00 - they are all 8.7 MPH or 87% of whatever your particular wind speed is. In aviation head or tail wind does matter for what we're figuring out but with the speed of bullets it's mostly a non-issue.

You can see the example of an 18 MPH wind speed from 10:00 - 10 O Clock is 8.7 MPH or 87% therefor the calculation is 18 MPH X 87% = 15.66 MPH. Now you can get your wind doping into an easier 3 or 9 O Clock figure. If you know your deflection with a 10 MPH wind from 3 or 9 and you're in the field you can make a quicker calculation this way.

If you think it's something useful you could add it in somewhere maybe.

Thoughts?

Wayne

ETA: I forgot the 'proof' that it works and the final figures.

Using the example of 18MPH wind at 10 oclock being the equivelent of a 15.6 MPH 3 or 9 oclock crosswind -

If you know your wind deflection of a particular load at 10MPH at 3 or 9 oclock -

Example load: 75 Gr 6mm @ 3100 FPS, 270 BC, 10 MPH 9 Oclock wind, deflection at 500 yards= 42.2 inches

Using the 15.6 MPH conversion number, you move the decimal over one position making it 1.56 since 15.6MPH = 156% of 10 MPH

Since our 9 O Clock wind deflection of 10 MPH is 42.2" we times it by 1.56 and that equals 65.8 inches

I double checked it on Sierra I6 and changed the same load from a 9 oclock 15.6 MPH wind to a 10 oclock 18 MPH wind and that number was 66"

This system/formula doesn't offer anything that a ballistics program doesn't but it does allow you a way to bring that same accuracy into the field without an electronic device to rely on and once you get the hang of it it's a fast calculation.

Actual wind speed = A
Wind direction value = B
Known load deflection at known distance = E

A X B = C

C X .1 = D

D X E = Actual deflection.
 
Thanks for keeping the suggestions coming. I'm taking notes on all the bullets you want.

Ron, I've included a discussion on vertical wind deflection.

Bill, My evasive answer to your pregnant question is: "hopefully on the day the first edition sells out" ;^)
I would estimate March time-frame, but don't hold me to it.

Wayne, I have a version of your component break down on page 67. It's not broken up as fine, but captures the same idea.

-Bryan
 
Hi Bryan.

Not sure if this point is within the scope of your book, but as a consequence of almost extreme swings in temperatures I have run across a problem in correlating velocities and pressures recorded on a cold (8 - 10 cent) day with field use where temps can be around 25 cent. and primers etc are showing pressure signs.

Is there any way of predicting pressures etc so "hot" results can be kept within "safe" levels?

cheers

Maurice
 

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