Anything better than graphite?

[oley55]

Powdered Mica is white....

yep and Forster markets an applicator for it.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012692264

 

[Uncle Ed]

Graphite is nothing more than finely ground carbon, and the same carbon removed from inside the case neck during cleaning or tumbling.

If you remove the carbon from inside the case neck during cleaning then dipping the case neck in graphite will replace it.

Now let's talk about wet tumbling with the case necks stripped clean of all carbon and bullet cold welding.

 

[Webster]

tired of the black mess when using graphite for neck expanding.
What yall using besides graphite?

John

Never used anything but oil. Keep it simple.

 

[dgeesaman]

Graphite is nothing more than finely ground carbon, and the same carbon removed from inside the case neck during cleaning or tumbling.

If you remove the carbon from inside the case neck during cleaning then dipping the case neck in graphite will replace it.

Carbon takes on many forms; graphite is only one of them. Graphite makes a good lubricant because it’s molecular structure is flat flakes. The graphite flakes slide readily across each other. Mica also has a flake structure.

Carbon as a result of combustion is not graphite. I think the stuff on our brass is amorphous carbon. It will prevent cold welding, and some find it provides a consistent level of friction. But it’s not graphite.

David

 

[Uncle Ed]

Carbon takes on many forms; graphite is only one of them. Graphite makes a good lubricant because it’s molecular structure is flat flakes. The graphite flakes slide readily across each other. Mica also has a flake structure.

Carbon as a result of combustion is not graphite. I think the stuff on our brass is amorphous carbon. It will prevent cold welding, and some find it provides a consistent level of friction. But it’s not graphite.

David

Graphite
Description
Graphite, archaically referred to as plumbago, is a crystalline form of the element carbon with its atoms arranged in a hexagonal structure. It occurs naturally in this form and is the most stable form of carbon under standard conditions. Under high pressures and temperatures, it converts to diamond. Wikipedia

What is Graphite?
https://geology.com/minerals/graphite.shtml
Graphite is a naturally-occurring form of crystalline carbon. It is a native element mineral found in metamorphic and igneous rocks. Graphite is a mineral of extremes. It is extremely soft, cleaves with very light pressure, and has a very low specific gravity. In contrast, it is extremely resistant to heat and nearly inert in contact with almost any other material. These extreme properties give it a wide range of uses in metallurgy and manufacturing.

 

[L W P]

Not sure how you're making a mess unless you spill. Just dip the necks 4-5 times and wipe the outside off with a paper towel. Then run threw the ex pander.

 

[dgeesaman]

Graphite...
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I agree that graphite is made of carbon atoms. We both said that, in effect.

All graphite is made of carbon atoms. Not all forms of carbon are graphite.

I suggest you keep looking for support of your claim that graphite is finely ground carbon, the same carbon as is deposited in our brass. That’s the point where I take exception.

David

 

[farmerjohn]

Carbide mandrel, no lube.
Steve Bair

+1
John

 

[Uncle Ed]

I agree that graphite is made of carbon atoms. We both said that, in effect.

All graphite is made of carbon atoms. Not all forms of carbon are graphite.

I suggest you keep looking for support of your claim that graphite is finely ground carbon, the same carbon as is deposited in our brass. That’s the point where I take exception.

David

Finely ground carbon is called graphite, and I do not care what form of carbon you take exception to.
If you put graphite-carbon inside your bare case necks you will not have cold welding of the bullet.

Soot
Soot /sʊt/ is a mass of impure carbon particles resulting from the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons.

Hydrocarbon
A hydrocarbon is an organic compound consisting entirely of hydrogen and carbon.

 

[Webster]

Finely ground carbon is called graphite, and I do not care what form of carbon you take exception to.
If you put graphite-carbon inside your bare case necks you will not have cold welding of the bullet.

Soot
Soot /sʊt/ is a mass of impure carbon particles resulting from the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons.

Hydrocarbon
A hydrocarbon is an organic compound consisting entirely of hydrogen and carbon.

I value all of your post but we don't need to be a PHD chemist to lubricate a piece of brass. I will always use petroleum oil.

 

[6MMsteve]

Apply a little of this with a Q Tip to the inside of the neck.


https://www.frankfordarsenal.com/case-lube---8-oz-non-aerosol/460478.html

what I use takes a few seconds to do 50 cases..I do them before I resize no mess no fuss

 

[Uncle Ed]

I value all of your post but we don't need to be a PHD chemist to lubricate a piece of brass. I will always use petroleum oil.

Put your oil inside the case neck and then anneal the necks, this will turn the oil into carbon.

 

[dgeesaman]

Finely ground carbon is called graphite, and I do not care what form of carbon you take exception to.

If you finely grind an incorrect statement, it does not become correct.

This thread is about neck expanding lubricants and not cold welding. Expanding necks using only combustion carbon residue works very poorly. I admit I’ve done it accidentally a couple of times. It’s not graphite and it doesn’t lubricate like graphite.

 

[Uncle Ed]

If you finely grind an incorrect statement, it does not become correct.

This thread is about neck expanding lubricants and not cold welding. Expanding necks using only combustion carbon residue works very poorly. I admit I’ve done it accidentally a couple of times. It’s not graphite and it doesn’t lubricate like graphite.

How on earth as a carbon base life form do you produce so much fecal debris dgeesaman?

Have a nice day

 

[LVLAaron]

For a neck mandrel... I use oneshot. (fight me)

 

[Uncle Ed]

For a neck mandrel... I use oneshot. (fight me)

No need to fight, One Shot is an aerosol that contains HydroCARBONS.

 

[Straightshooter1]

Carbide mandrel, no lube.
Steve Bair

ditto

 

[LVLAaron]

For you savages that dont use lube, how do you prevent galling of your carbide?

 

[Leo Smith]

No need to fight, One Shot is an aerosol that contains HydroCARBONS.

Ed, The Hydrocarbons are the Inerts that evaporate.

 

[6fatrat]

For you savages that dont use lube, how do you prevent galling of your carbide?

For you savages that dont use lube, how do you prevent galling of your carbide?

I don't clean the inside of my necks.