anyone use Reloader 17 in .308 with 168gr pils?

[Brad87gt]

I just bought a Savage hvy barrel .308 and was wanting to load some 168 grain bullets with reloader 17 if I can find some info...

 

[FroggyOne2]

Won't work.. but the 210's may be a different story.. I tried it with Berger 185BT's and got them going 2980fps, but the accuracy is wasn't there in my rifle. But dang..It was good enough for hunting around here..

 

[Johnboy]

I do not know of any data to the 168gn bullet.but on the other hand a few guys at snipershide have worked up a load for a 208gn Amax.and they say its working really good.even out of a 1:12 twist barrel.

and have you looked for data at the Alliants web site.I would think they have posted some kind of info useing R17.I f not use varget or 4064.

 

[cmillard]

i would stick with the heavier bullets with that powder. 175-200 weight range. any heavier and i think the twist rate of your barrel might let you down.

 

[spclark]

There's a nice article on RL17 with heavyweight .308 bullets in the latest issue of Precision Shooting magazine. If you know somebody who subscribes, check it out.

There's not enough case capacity in the .308 for RL17 & lightweight bullets though, so plan on sticking with something over 175 grains if at all possible.

 

[deadlyswift]

I too have read the thread over on sniper hide. There posting some interesting results with RL17. One guy claims he is pushing the berger 190s at 2710. That is impressive to me for a 190gr. pill out of a .308. I have not tried RL17 in my .308 due to weather. This guy's load was 47.5gr. He did say it was near max in his chamber. My plan is to cut that back 10% and work up slowly. I have shot the 190smks above 41.4gr. of varget and only got 2520fps. This was sierra's max load not my chambers max load. Even so the 190s shot really well until I got out past 500yrds. I assumed that the 190s were just to heavy for the .308 and that they were not stablizing at long distance because of the lack of velocity. Like I said tho this was my assumption. There are a lot of guys here that know a lot more about RL 17 than me. I did pm Laurie about RL17 in the .308 and he sent me some interesting results from Quickload. Also I have been advised that RL17 may not work as great behind the lighter bullets? I would like to try RL17 with the 175gr pills as well.

I forgot to mention that 2710fps with the 190s the guy was shooting a 26in barrel. I too have a 26in barrel on my .308 so I'm looking foward to at least experimeanting with the 190s again. If anything else it's time behind the trigger, and more knowledge gained for me. A Win win situation


Here is the data that I got from Laurie from Quickload.


Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 190, Sierra HP MatchK 2210
Useable Case Capaci: 47.235 grain H2O = 3.067 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.850 inch = 72.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 37.20 2181 2007 31245 5838 93.5 1.659
-18.0 83 38.13 2233 2104 33324 6004 94.6 1.614
-16.0 86 39.06 2285 2204 35544 6162 95.6 1.569
-14.0 88 39.99 2338 2305 37917 6312 96.4 1.525
-12.0 90 40.92 2390 2409 40454 6452 97.2 1.480
-10.0 92 41.85 2442 2515 43169 6581 97.9 1.438
-08.0 94 42.78 2494 2623 46078 6700 98.5 1.397
-06.0 96 43.71 2545 2733 49196 6808 99.0 1.357
-04.0 98 44.64 2597 2844 52542 6903 99.4 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 45.57 2648 2958 56140 6986 99.7 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 46.50 2698 3072 60011 7055 99.9 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 47.43 2749 3188 64183 7111 100.0 1.211 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 48.36 2799 3305 68686 7155 100.0 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 49.29 2849 3424 73555 7194 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 50.22 2898 3544 78827 7230 100.0 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 51.15 2947 3665 84550 7264 100.0 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 46.50 2800 3307 71541 6724 100.0 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 46.50 2547 2738 49570 7112 96.2 1.353



Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 190, Sierra HP MatchK 2210
Useable Case Capaci: 48.183 grain H2O = 3.128 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.900 inch = 73.66 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 37.68 2191 2025 31251 5941 93.8 1.656
-18.0 83 38.62 2243 2123 33324 6109 94.8 1.611
-16.0 85 39.56 2296 2223 35534 6269 95.8 1.567
-14.0 87 40.51 2348 2325 37891 6420 96.6 1.523
-12.0 89 41.45 2400 2430 40418 6561 97.4 1.478
-10.0 91 42.39 2452 2536 43115 6691 98.1 1.436
-08.0 93 43.33 2504 2644 46004 6810 98.6 1.395
-06.0 95 44.27 2555 2754 49098 6918 99.1 1.355
-04.0 97 45.22 2606 2866 52416 7014 99.5 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 46.16 2657 2979 55979 7096 99.8 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 47.10 2708 3094 59808 7165 99.9 1.245 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 103 48.04 2758 3210 63933 7221 100.0 1.211 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 48.98 2808 3327 68382 7266 100.0 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 49.93 2858 3446 73183 7307 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 50.87 2907 3565 78380 7346 100.0 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 51.81 2956 3686 84013 7382 100.0 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 47.10 2808 3328 71300 6832 100.0 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 47.10 2558 2760 49406 7236 96.4 1.352

 

[Brad87gt]

Thanks for all the info guys... Man it would be nice to shoot thwe 190's at 2700. Then I could shoot the 190's in the WSM and the .308

Maybe I will try the 178gr AMAX and the 190gr Berger or SMK with the RL-17

Wouldnt it be nice to use the same powder and the same bullet in both rifles....

 

[HawkeyeJoe]

I'm not sure if your already sold on RE17,or still need to buy?? If your looking to buy, RE15 might be a better choice for the 168 grain pills. It's a favorite of mine for the 168's in both .308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield.