Anyone load test with a lead sled?

[savagedasher]

If the point of impact changes with how the gun is being held. How would you find a nod? :-[
Every time the reaction on the gun is different with a Lead Sled.
How can you tune? I though the point of impact is how you tune. Larry

 

[LHSmith]

Try placing the sandbags at different points of contact with the stock-especially the front bag....try it at close to the tip of the fore-end and then way back near the recoil lug and compare resultant accuracy. The whole rifle is a tuning fork.... regardless if the barrel is completely free-floated.
Think about the barrel tuner concept......I use a Beggs tuner which is one of the simplest, lightest on the market and a mere rotation of the tuner weight from say 12:00 to 12:30 will change group size noticably. Barrel harmonics the big factor in accuracy. Big enough to tell you you had better load develop and practice with the rifle as it will be used in competition down to the smallest details -like always shooting with the mirage shield in place.
Now consider the other extreme where the rifle is held mechanically to retard rear movement and all those foot pounds of recoil energy must by rule of physics go somewhere - as in seroius muzzle flip and the rifle and scope taking more severe shock than they were designed for. Now tell me again how Led Sleds are an ingenious invention and they are great for sighting -in.

 

[savagedasher]

Try placing the sandbags at different points of contact with the stock-especially the front bag....try it at close to the tip of the fore-end and then way back near the recoil lug and compare resultant accuracy. The whole rifle is a tuning fork.... regardless if the barrel is completely free-floated.
Think about the barrel tuner concept......I use a Beggs tuner which is one of the simplest, lightest on the market and a mere rotation of the tuner weight from say 12:00 to 12:30 will change group size noticably. Barrel harmonics the big factor in accuracy. Big enough to tell you you had better load develop and practice with the rifle as it will be used in competition down to the smallest details -like always shooting with the mirage shield in place.
Now consider the other extreme where the rifle is held mechanically to retard rear movement and all those foot pounds of recoil energy must by rule of physics go somewhere - as in seroius muzzle flip and the rifle and scope taking more severe shock than they were designed for. Now tell me again how Led Sleds are an ingenious invention and they are great for sighting -in.

Your talking to Deaf ears . ;D Larry

 

[jlow]

OK, please let’s have a reasonable discussion. What I said was “different rests or ways holding a rifle will affect POI”, so yes, when you guys do your tuning, you hold your rifle consistently right? Same thing for the lead sled.

As to the whole rifle being a tuning fork, that cannot be correct or barrel time would require information about the whole rifle vs what it requires which is distance from crown to bolt face. Using a lead sled which at no time touch the barrel means it does not affect barrel harmonics. I have tune many loads successfully and easily using the lead sled that what better proof is there that it has no effect?

It only takes a few minutes to read your post to realize that you guys really have no idea about the lead sled but is willing to have strong opinion.... This whole idea of loading the sled up with a ton of lead is kind of stuck in your mind… Please re-read what I wrote. It’s not an ingenious invention (that is your words), it is just a simple tool that works.

 

[savagedasher]

OK, please let’s have a reasonable discussion. What I said was “different rests or ways holding a rifle will affect POI”, so yes, when you guys do your tuning, you hold your rifle consistently right? Same thing for the lead sled.

As to the whole rifle being a tuning fork, that cannot be correct or barrel time would require information about the whole rifle vs what it requires which is distance from crown to bolt face. Using a lead sled which at no time touch the barrel means it does not affect barrel harmonics. I have tune many loads successfully and easily using the lead sled that what better proof is there that it has no effect?

It only takes a few minutes to read your post to realize that you guys really have no idea about the lead sled but is willing to have strong opinion.... This whole idea of loading the sled up with a ton of lead is kind of stuck in your mind… Please re-read what I wrote. It’s not an ingenious invention (that is your words), it is just a simple tool that works.

 

[LHSmith]

OK, please let’s have a reasonable discussion. What I said was “different rests or ways holding a rifle will affect POI”, so yes, when you guys do your tuning, you hold your rifle consistently right? Same thing for the lead sled.

While that may be true, the results will only be useful when using the Led sled exclusively.

 

[LHSmith]

As to the whole rifle being a tuning fork, that cannot be correct or barrel time would require information about the whole rifle vs what it requires which is distance from crown to bolt face. Using a lead sled which at no time touch the barrel means it does not affect barrel harmonics. I have tune many loads successfully and easily using the lead sled that what better proof is there that it has no effect?

#1-Then offer an explanation as to why accuracy is dependent on where it rides the bags?
#2 How do you determine loads have been tuned successfully? What are you comparing it to? When you tune, do you tune for different conditions?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I would make sure the barrel is resting on the front bag. An even better accuracy enhancing device that i witnessed recently was the old gun vise. But the owner usually kills multiple deer a year usually at 800yds or more with his 7400 30-06.

 

[dkhunt14]

If you go to Longrangehunting.com and scroll down the left side and find the forum Videos of Tech stuff then go to page 2 and watch the video, How Important is Seeing the Hit. I would never ever subject one of my guns to this. It is unbelievable how much the barrel action and stock can bend. I know It is about the style of brake but it shows how much abuse you can put on the gun. Matt

 

[shootnjunky]

this thread is crazy, who knew it was so political 8) 8) 8)

 

[hogpatrol]

this thread is crazy, who knew it was so political 8) 8) 8)

Yeah, I prefer Chevys over Fords. ;D

 

[Dusty Stevens]

this thread is crazy, who knew it was so political 8) 8) 8)

Yeah, I prefer Chevys over Fords. ;D

Legalizing gay marriage was a victory for ford owners everywhere!! Lol

 

[jlow]

LHSmith – I never said “accuracy is dependent on where it rides the bag? You did so why should I try to explain something that you came up with.

As to when a load have been tuned successfully – I do what everyone who knows how to run an OCW does.

Matt – You are still stuck on the idea that we are firing a big bore caliber mounted on a lead sled that has been immobilized – please read my earlier posts.

Shootnjunky – YOU GOT IT… Sometimes some people on this board just can't bear to see sometime simple and cheap working for a simple purpose. It seems like it is an insult to them. For me, I can afford to buy the best and have some very expensive rifles and instruments, but I also believe that if something works and works well, I won't turn my nose away just because it is not expensive. Common sense should always win.

 

[hogpatrol]

;D

this thread is crazy, who knew it was so political 8) 8) 8)

Yeah, I prefer Chevys over Fords. ;D

Legalizing gay marriage was a victory for ford owners everywhere!! Lol

Yeah, and I use crushed walnut shells in my LedSled bags. So there! ;D :

 

[kraky]

I've used a lead sled alot...but no wts. It slides back fairly easy. I might have got lucky yrs ago w/a stock factory tikka but the combo works....

 

[sbhooper]

I've used a lead sled alot...but no wts. It slides back fairly easy. I might have got lucky yrs ago w/a stock factory tikka but the combo works....

This mirrors my experience. It is a good tool. I don't know why some people had to turn this into a bench rest discussion. That is not what the OP asked. I use moderate weights with no problems and I think some of these posters should try it before condemning it. The rest is not in a vise-IT MOVES! If your stock splits, then you had a crap stock.

 

[Joe Salt]

Like what was said earlier a 25# bag of shot is the cheapest way I know of. But if it takes you that many shots to sight in your rifle, that the recoil bothers you then you definitely need shooting lessons! (Cheap bag of shot) hogpatrol I thought you liked PopCorn.

Joe Salt

 

[M14AMU]

I'm 75....but I'm not quite that weak....yet!!

 

[LHSmith]

This mirrors my experience. It is a good tool. I don't know why some people had to turn this into a bench rest discussion. That is not what the OP asked. I use moderate weights with no problems and I think some of these posters should try it before condemning it. The rest is not in a vise-IT MOVES! If your stock splits, then you had a crap stock.

I always thought this was one of two Premier websites that shooters could turn to for proven answers to those seeking the full ACCURACY potential of their rifles. The OP, who has a signature line that would lead one to believe he was into F-Class competition, asked if a shooting aid he already owned would help with load development. For those lost in the fog, F-Class is also known as "Belly Benchrest".
Virtually all the new technology that allowed improved factory and custom rifles accuracy was born out of Benchrest competition. Yet when veteran BR competitors provide insight it is met with skepticism or outright repudiation. I hope you feel confident in getting your info from hobbiest or keyboard shooters because the attitude of a few is why more successful competitors don't visit the net and share their knowledge. I have about had it myself.

 

[hogpatrol]

Like what was said earlier a 25# bag of shot is the cheapest way I know of. But if it takes you that many shots to sight in your rifle, that the recoil bothers you then you definitely need shooting lessons! (Cheap bag of shot) hogpatrol I thought you liked PopCorn.

Joe Salt

Never too late. ;D