Just curious for pros and cons.
I never use mine anymore and was just thinking if I should when doing load development?
I never use mine anymore and was just thinking if I should when doing load development?
savagedasher said:What are you testing? Testing a load you should shoot the gun exactly the way it is going to be used. Any thing that touches the gun changes the test results.
Larry
MTM said:Forgot, Score High (Score-Hi?) makes a sled that recoils using pnuematic rams. Somewhere in the $250 range but to save your shoulder might be worth it. Plus totally repeatable.
This is blatantly a false statement. What is it you don't understand about the bullet being still in the barrel in the beginning stage of recoil (average of about 1/16" of rearward movement)?sbhooper said:It is no different as far as results, than using sand bags or any other kind of rest. The only difference is the recoil.
LHSmith said:If you are talking about simply hitting a 9" pie plate @ 50 yards.....then it probably doesn't matter.
No truer words was ever written. When I am tuning a gun Bags, Rest my input all changes the point of impact. All my guns take a different bag or location and every one has a different way the like to be touched.LHSmith said:This is blatantly a false statement. What is it you don't understand about the bullet being still in the barrel in the beginning stage of recoil (average of about 1/16" of rearward movement)?sbhooper said:It is no different as far as results, than using sand bags or any other kind of rest. The only difference is the recoil.
For those who don't shoot a lot, in BR competition ANY deviation in how the rifle is held will result in dropped points or big groups even though the rifle is rested in sand bags that are tightly formed around the stock ( yet slide fore and aft freely). Change your trigger hand thumb pressure or thumb location and it shows up on target-everytime. Like-wise change the shoulder pressure, or even a slight variation in distance from the buttstock to the shoulder in the free-recoil method and you get a shot that moves you out of contention.
So, explain how a rifle whose recoil is drastically restricted will shoot to same POA and with the same degree of accuracy as a rifle that is shouldered be it off-hand or in a typical benchrest or off sand bags from a bench.
If you are talking about simply hitting a 9" pie plate @ 50 yards.....then it probably doesn't matter.
But aren’t you guys talking about POI whereas the OP is talking about tuning a load. I don’t have any problem with the notion that different rests or ways holding a rifle will affect POI but the question is does it affect where your accuracy node/optimal seating depth is? If it does not then it really comes down to having to re-zero your rifle they way you shoot your competition after finding the accuracy node using the lead sled? I always check zero at the start of a match anyway, and I don't use the lead sled for that.savagedasher said:No truer words was ever written. When I am tuning a gun Bags, Rest my input all changes the point of impact. All my guns take a different bag or location and every one has a different way the like to be touched.LHSmith said:This is blatantly a false statement. What is it you don't understand about the bullet being still in the barrel in the beginning stage of recoil (average of about 1/16" of rearward movement)?sbhooper said:It is no different as far as results, than using sand bags or any other kind of rest. The only difference is the recoil.
For those who don't shoot a lot, in BR competition ANY deviation in how the rifle is held will result in dropped points or big groups even though the rifle is rested in sand bags that are tightly formed around the stock ( yet slide fore and aft freely). Change your trigger hand thumb pressure or thumb location and it shows up on target-everytime. Like-wise change the shoulder pressure, or even a slight variation in distance from the buttstock to the shoulder in the free-recoil method and you get a shot that moves you out of contention.
So, explain how a rifle whose recoil is drastically restricted will shoot to same POA and with the same degree of accuracy as a rifle that is shouldered be it off-hand or in a typical benchrest or off sand bags from a bench.
If you are talking about simply hitting a 9" pie plate @ 50 yards.....then it probably doesn't matter.
My last 1000 TD shoot I had 8 bullets in a 2 3/4 circle in the 10 ring .I had one go high and one low Both in the 9 ring but score was 98 and 9'' Just from bad gun handling. Larry