Anybody own the accurate Savage AR10 MSR 6.5cm??

[VaniB]

I'm interested in the AR10 MSR in 6.5cm because it doesn't cost as much as the LesBaer, JP, or Robert Whitley, but retains many of the typical military features like a forward assist, A2 front sight, and collapsible stock that I like my AR to have.

I was wondering if any of you guys own one and have tried to 100yd bench it with handloads?? There's a video I've found of a guy shooting off a bench and doing a factory Hornady 140ELD 5 shot 3/4" group at 100yds.( with 4 of the 5 shots inside of about 1/2") I wondered what hand loads might do.

Fast forward to 7:30 to see that tight group fired.

This is my 308 and shoots sub1" 5 shot groups with a chrome lined Fulton light contour barrel. I personally like all 3 of my AR's to resemble military weapons, and is why the Savage 6.5 caught my attention.

 

[SPQR70AD]

good video. a better trigger might help but you can get used to any trigger as David Tubbs has said

 

[VaniB]

good video. a better trigger might help but you can get used to any trigger as David Tubbs has said

Yes, a better trigger will most certainly help, as I'm amazed at his one group he fired using the crunchy 6 3/4 lb factory trigger & a crappy department store front rest. You can tell he is an experienced shooter! I was hoping to find someone here who had changed the trigger and fed it handloads at the 100yd range, and not the 600 yard range. Shooters on these boards shoot long-range too, but I can relate better to a rifles accuracy with 5 shots in a 1/2" at 100.

 

[jonbearman]

If it shoots that good I can almost assure you savage is probably not making the barrels. Sounds good if they are because after looking down at least a hundred savage barrels more than half were really poorly made.

 

[SPQR70AD]

Yes, a better trigger will most certainly help, as I'm amazed at his one group he fired using the crunchy 6 3/4 lb factory trigger & a crappy department store front rest. You can tell he is an experienced shooter! I was hoping to find someone here who had changed the trigger and fed it handloads at the 100yd range, and not the 600 yard range. Shooters on these boards shoot long-range too, but I can relate better to a rifles accuracy with 5 shots in a 1/2" at 100.

in the early 90's when no one had savage rifles I met an old guy at a gun show told me he worked at savage explained the floating bolt and exact headspace design firing pin protrusion etc. so me and 2 guys worked for me bought heavy barrel 308's and 223. they had triggers where you needed a come a long to set off. I don't think I ever shot as many tiny groups with different ammo since and the other guys did the same. when they came out with I think basic triggers we got them put them in and things were the same. just got used to the bad triggers

 

[SPQR70AD]

If it shoots that good I can almost assure you savage is probably not making the barrels. Sounds good if they are because after looking down at least a hundred savage barrels more than half were really poorly made.

I saw savage barrels looked like a chainsaw file was used on the inside shoot tiny tiny groups. I remember rick Jamison the guy that bankrupted Winchester said the same thing and was amazed how they shot in an article where he tested one HB

 

[Mark W]

If it shoots that good I can almost assure you savage is probably not making the barrels. Sounds good if they are because after looking down at least a hundred savage barrels more than half were really poorly made.

Did you shoot any of them? They are typically pretty accurate. I always hear about these ugly Savage barrels, but the few I’ve looked at (only 3 or 4) weren’t that bad at all. The worse looking barrels I’ve looked down were Howa and Wilson. The Wilson shot great, but the Howa did not.

 

[Old Navy]

I have two aftermarket triggers. One is a Velocity and the other an Elf. The Elf is by far the best. I shoot an Aero Precision M5 in 6.5 CM. Good barrel, good trigger and a good scope ( Nightforce ) = a good shooter.

 

[ebb]

The way you way you worded the title it sounds like they make AR10s but out of all of the AR10s they have ever made only one is accurate.

 

[Concha]

I consider a 6.5 Creedmoor a waste at 100 yards. What is the use of looking for a rifle designed to go long at 100. The 223 is what you are looking for. Capable of small groups at 100 and much cheaper to shoot.

 

[Trashy]

Im not going to be any help, but I did have a savage model 12lrp in 6.5 that shot GREAT with factory hornady match ammo... are you going to take it out further than 100 yards?

 

[VaniB]

I consider a 6.5 Creedmoor a waste at 100 yards. What is the use of looking for a rifle designed to go long at 100. The 223 is what you are looking for. Capable of small groups at 100 and much cheaper to shoot.

Well we all know to start with, when seeking tight bench style groups at 100 yards, the semi-auto black AR rifle with military features would always be the gun to choose over a bolt action. While I already have a 6.5CM in a custom bolt action, I just thought I might enjoy playing with a new toy like the military style AR10 Savage MSR.

But on your advice, might this AR I have be better suited?





or, maybe this one for when the target attacks back?.....lol...





Tell me more about the 223/5.56 I'll bet once I get the hang of it I might have luck reloading it. Thanks.

 

[Concha]

I can't tell you anything about the 223 with the exception that if I was only shooting 100 yards, I would use a 22 caliber, probably 22LR. All of my 223?5.56 use 77 and up so i'm no help there.

My 6.5 CM Kreiger barreled DPMS pattern shoots < 1" 5 shot groups at 400 as far as I have shot it. Its hard on brass so I use hornady with 4350 and 210M's. Im sorry for expressing my opinion. You obviously were offended by it. I will make sure to avoid responding to your posts in the future.

Didn't you used to hang out on ARF.com?

 

[D-4297]

Well we all know to start with, when seeking tight bench style groups at 100 yards, the semi-auto black AR rifle with military features would always be the gun to choose over a bolt action. While I already have a 6.5CM in a custom bolt action, I just thought I might enjoy playing with a new toy like the military style AR10 Savage MSR.

But on your advice, might this AR I have be better suited?

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or, maybe this one for when the target attacks back?.....lol...

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Tell me more about the 223/5.56 I'll bet once I get the hang of it I might have luck reloading it. Thanks.

As a Nam Vet ; I carried one of those Black , made by Mattel POS for a couple months . Then found a real weapon , the previous owner no longer needed . A Chi-com SKS , that brought me home . There are people on this board who don't share your over-blown opinion about Black rifles , with good cause . And for the record ; the AR / LR 10 designation is for the .308 caliber , Black rifle . Now you have my opinion about the "God-rifle" . AIRBORNE !

 

[Old Navy]

ARs have come a long way since 1973.

 

[VaniB]

As a Nam Vet ; I carried one of those Black , made by Mattel POS for a couple months . Then found a real weapon , the previous owner no longer needed . A Chi-com SKS , that brought me home . There are people on this board who don't share your over-blown opinion about Black rifles , with good cause . And for the record ; the AR / LR 10 designation is for the .308 caliber , Black rifle . Now you have my opinion about the "God-rifle" . AIRBORNE !

Never said the AR design was God's gift to the soldier then, or even that it is that today. I'm only suggesting that under controlled conditions, like those conditions of pamby-ass civies like me today using it for recreation and on standby for self-defense purposes, it is a very reliable and exceedingly accurate designed rifle with modular flexibility. Thank you for serving. You're a true American.

 

[VaniB]

I can't tell you anything about the 223 with the exception that if I was only shooting 100 yards, I would use a 22 caliber, probably 22LR. All of my 223?5.56 use 77 and up so i'm no help there.

My 6.5 CM Kreiger barreled DPMS pattern shoots < 1" 5 shot groups at 400 as far as I have shot it. Its hard on brass so I use hornady with 4350 and 210M's. Im sorry for expressing my opinion. You obviously were offended by it. I will make sure to avoid responding to your posts in the future.

Didn't you used to hang out on ARF.com?

LOL.... Concha, in my post #13, I posted the photos of my 223 AR15 rifles, one being an RRA I built from the receiver up, and included a photo of my reloading room to clue you in that I'm not a newbie. But it all went right over your head. lol You still continue even now to tell me to go shoot a 22LR.

I open the thread saying I want to shoot a 6.5CM at 100 yards, so then some how to you it means I know nothing. So with that logic, I guess I shouldn't own my Marlin 375, 444, or 45/70 because I don't hunt? (nor should I fire them 100yds?... lol). My 308 AR which I built and I show in post #1, didn't clue you in that maybe I'm NOT a newbie? Why did you assume that I don't handload 60, 68, 75, & 77gr bullets, have never owned precision Krieger Oberle or White Oak barrels, or that I don't already handload the 6.5CM? (I've done all the above for years.)
I find your input condescending. Kindly put me on your ignore list.

 

[VaniB]

Im not going to be any help, but I did have a savage model 12lrp in 6.5 that shot GREAT with factory hornady match ammo... are you going to take it out further than 100 yards?

Trashy,
I do not hunt nor formally compete. My satisfaction has always been handloading ammo for tight 5 shot bench groups at 100 yards. I'm am quite content in shooting my AR's at that distance. When I do finally find the combination rifle and handload that consistently delivers those 1/2" to 1" groups, (preferably 1/2" - 3/4") I take satisfaction in knowing I have a deadly accurate rifle that I can also try my hand at long distance when & if I want. In between I often rebarrel, enhance, or rebuild the rifle to my satisfaction. I then move onto my next project.

 

[SPQR70AD]

I can't tell you anything about the 223 with the exception that if I was only shooting 100 yards, I would use a 22 caliber, probably 22LR. All of my 223?5.56 use 77 and up so i'm no help there.

My 6.5 CM Kreiger barreled DPMS pattern shoots < 1" 5 shot groups at 400 as far as I have shot it. Its hard on brass so I use hornady with 4350 and 210M's. Im sorry for expressing my opinion. You obviously were offended by it. I will make sure to avoid responding to your posts in the future.

Didn't you used to hang out on ARF.com?

did you misprint by saying 1" 5 shot groups at 400 yds with a semi auto?

 

[joshb]

Well we all know to start with, when seeking tight bench style groups at 100 yards, the semi-auto black AR rifle with military features would always be the gun to choose over a bolt action. While I already have a 6.5CM in a custom bolt action, I just thought I might enjoy playing with a new toy like the military style AR10 Savage MSR.

But on your advice, might this AR I have be better suited?

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or, maybe this one for when the target attacks back?.....lol...

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Tell me more about the 223/5.56 I'll bet once I get the hang of it I might have luck reloading it. Thanks.

Nah, not enough! You need more, lots more!