I don't think I will do a 260 again on a short action either. This one is on a Savage action that has a internal mag dimension of right around 3.000" and the rounds still don't fit. If I ever do a 260 again I would either get a short freebore and plan on running 130 class and lighter bullets or I would put it on a long action to be able to take advantage of the full case capacity.
Any advantage of 6.5 Lapua over Creedmoor?
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This is on a savage action so I don't think the mag well mod would apply. It already has a mag dimension of about 3.000". If I ever run a 260 again it will most likely be a 260AI with a long freebore for shooting the heavies and I would put it on a long action. I think it would be capable of some really good velocities with the 140 and heavier bullets. I'm more than happy with the performance of the 260 and it's actually capable of more than I really need.
Jarhead6870
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While both are good rounds, I think the choice would depend on the bullet you are wanting to shoot and whether jump to the lands is important to you. The standard Creedmoor reamer has a 0.199 FB and was designed to primarily shoot factory 140 grain ammunition. Because of this, and the success of the factory ammunition, there are very few gunsmiths who have had reason to invest in other reamers with a different freebore.
The 6.5x47 Lapua, on the other hand, has been a reloaders round for quite a while and thus there are many reamers with different freebores available because of the different bullet configurations and jump that shooters wanted.
The 6.5x47 Lapua, on the other hand, has been a reloaders round for quite a while and thus there are many reamers with different freebores available because of the different bullet configurations and jump that shooters wanted.
I love my Bartlein-barreled 6.5 x 47 Lapua. I run 130 grain Berger VLD's at 2,900 fps. I find this combination ideal for 600 yards competition.
Thank you everyone for the advice. I've decided on going with the 6.5x47 Lapua. I think it will fit my needs perfect. Now I have to decide on keeping this barrel until it's shot out or going ahead and getting a 6.5x47 barrel now and selling the 260 barrel. I think I'm leaning towards doing it now since there's only about 700 rounds on this barrel. It would be a while until its shot out. I'll probably be selling the dies also.
And will shoot in the 1s all day long as long as they do their part
Would you care to share your powder and charge weight? Seems like I'm crunching H 4350 long before I can get to 2900.
I may have to try Varget in this barrel, in my other accuracy was clearly better with H 4350
Jarhead6870
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In my barrels, the lighter 123 and 130 grain bullets did better with Varget while the 140s did better with H4350.
I've had a couple of 6.5x47s that were more picky than any other cartridge I've loaded for, and in the end, they both were one-trick ponies, only shooting well with one load, both liking the same load of IMR4007SSC & S123MKs. OTOH, I've had three other 6.5x47s that were no more picky than any other cartridge, and liked 107, 123, 130, & 140gr bullets, with a variety of powders. One of the really picky barrels was a factory fluted bbl for a DTA SRS rifle, the other was a fluted Krieger in med Palma contour; both were 1-8tw. A BAT 3L prone rifle that I barreled with another 1-8tw 30" med Palma (don't remember whether it was a Bartlein or Krieger at this point in time) shot really well with either 130VLDs or 140 LRBTs; shot several clean 600yd prone scores with high X-counts with that rifle, and some good (for me) scores in 1000yd any rifle prone matches. Also had a 28" Krieger on a Pierce TG action in an Eliseo RTS chassis that I shot in XC HP matches, where the shorter loaded length of the 6.5x47 worked well in AICS mags. I always thought the 6.5x47 was a top-notch XC cartridge.
I've also had Big Horn TL2-SA action-based PRS rifles in both 6.5x47 & 6.5-08 Improved 30*, and liked both quite a bit, although again, the shorter 6.5x47 allowed seating 130&140gr bullets out quite a bit longer than was possible with the 6.5-08 Imp. It's a bit of a wash trying to argue that one's better than the other in this application, although I believe the 6.5-08 Imp is running slightly less pressures for the same or slightly higher velocities relative to the 6.5x47. Do both chambers on two new barrels, and whatever advantage the 6.5-08 Imp may have over the 6.5x47 could be larger or smaller... I like both rounds.
Have only shot one 6.5CM, and it was an Aero Precision M5 (AR-10) with a 24" Krieger that I fitted & chambered. It shoots OK, but I built myself another AR-10 (on DPMS receivers) in 6.5x47 with a 28" Krieger that will out-shoot the one in 6.5CM by a considerable margin. Again, only two barrels - do it over again with two other barrels, and perhaps the accuracy results would be reversed... Point is, with a lot of experience with the 6.5x47 & 6.5-08 Imp 30*, I don't feel the need for a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I've also had Big Horn TL2-SA action-based PRS rifles in both 6.5x47 & 6.5-08 Improved 30*, and liked both quite a bit, although again, the shorter 6.5x47 allowed seating 130&140gr bullets out quite a bit longer than was possible with the 6.5-08 Imp. It's a bit of a wash trying to argue that one's better than the other in this application, although I believe the 6.5-08 Imp is running slightly less pressures for the same or slightly higher velocities relative to the 6.5x47. Do both chambers on two new barrels, and whatever advantage the 6.5-08 Imp may have over the 6.5x47 could be larger or smaller... I like both rounds.
Have only shot one 6.5CM, and it was an Aero Precision M5 (AR-10) with a 24" Krieger that I fitted & chambered. It shoots OK, but I built myself another AR-10 (on DPMS receivers) in 6.5x47 with a 28" Krieger that will out-shoot the one in 6.5CM by a considerable margin. Again, only two barrels - do it over again with two other barrels, and perhaps the accuracy results would be reversed... Point is, with a lot of experience with the 6.5x47 & 6.5-08 Imp 30*, I don't feel the need for a 6.5 Creedmoor.
CM can be had in both SRP and LRP.
CM factory load options much more plentiful.
If using the really long VLD type bullets, x47 better suited for short actions.
From having used both, I‘ve not been able to determine one provides any more precision than another.
I settled on the CM because factory ammo is much more available and I wanted to be able to use LRPs.
John
41.5 gr. H4350 or 37.5 gr. Varget both get me to 2900 fps from a 26" Bartlein barrel.
I run a 6.5x47 with a 30.5” Bartline 5R barrel, specifically setup for 140 class bullets. Performance is phenomenal, velocity over 3100fps and 5.5 minutes of 10mph 90 degree wind drift at 1000 yards (sea level)
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What freebore are you guys using for the 140 class bullets? I would like to run the 140's and trying to decide on what to go with for the reamer.
Thank you guys. I think I'm going to start looking at getting a barrel lined up. I'll probably have 260 rem dies and barrel for sale soon.
My “need more “ will launch 147s at 2850 in a 26” tube with rl26 at about 46gr from a saami chamber. SRP Peterson brass. No I can’t load super long in this chamber, but I find that either I’m loading long OR I’m mag feeding, never found a need to mag feed past 2.86” or so.
X47 is a fantastic 6.5, and I’d certainly consider that route for a handload-only gun. But the superb brass out now for the creed, much of the argument for 6.5x47 is weaker.
X47 is a fantastic 6.5, and I’d certainly consider that route for a handload-only gun. But the superb brass out now for the creed, much of the argument for 6.5x47 is weaker.
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