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Another Doppler radar unit on the market, Bulletseeker

I've had my Bulletseeker for four months now. I've never tried an Andiscan but I've put some hours on a fully accessorized Labradar.

I attach mine to a mini tripod and place it on the bench under my barrel, a few inches behind the muzzle, and aimed slightly upward into the first 50 feet of projectile path and this seems to give the strongest signal.

Things I like:
- Compact and lightweight. Including my tripod the whole kit fits in my hand and a corner of my shooting bag.
- Internal battery good for a few hours, charges using a regular USB-C.
- The iOS app is fully functional. The software has been updated at least twice since September.
- No need to 'arm' - it's either on and ready or off.
- After each shot it indicates how many data points it collected from the shot with a red/yellow/green indication of overall data quality. Compared to Labradar, where you have no idea if it's just barely registering the shots or right in the sweet spot for reliable data.
- I got mine in a week direct from EU, when Labradar was unobtainable.
- Shot data stays on your phone so you don't need to be connected to review your data.
- It will capture anything from airgun to centerfire without changing any settings or trigger devices.

Things I'd like to improve:
- Cost is much more than a Labradar, accessories included.
- Misses shots sometimes (to be fair Labradar misses shots too).
- I would like the app to be more stable. Bluetooth needs to reconnect sometimes.
- Shuts down sometimes for no apparent reason.
- When the battery gets low (under 30%) it registers phony shots every couple of seconds and fills your string with trash.
- Not currently a way to download all of the data via USB to Excel (as you can with Labradar)
- When you look at the raw data from a given shot, you can see the data on the left side can be noisy and the algorithm doesn't crop out that like it probably should.
- Velocities don't agree perfectly with Labradar. Like Bart, I found it to be generally lower than Labradar but 40fps was the most extreme case I saw. Based on Bryan Litz testing, the Labradar is very accurate and precise compared to his military grade tools, so I assume the error is mostly the Bulletseeker.
- Shooting in the most perfect conditions (airgun indoor, 20y, bench rested, nothing moved) the quality of the data from shot to shot varies widely for no apparent reason.
- It can take several seconds to download the shot to the phone.
- If it does not download directly to the phone for any reason the shot data is lost. So if the phone isn't connected or the Bluetooth decides to get wonky the shots are lost. (LR has its own internal storage)
- Will not register slower moving projectiles at all. So it won't catch airgun pellets moving under 800fps.
- The matte black finish marks very easily. Keeping it in its stuff sack does not prevent it from looking rough.

Overall I'm ok with the purchase but there is room for improvement both with Bulletseeker and Labradar. My list of cons is much longer than the pros but the cons are mostly nuisances and the pros are each significant.

David
 
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Side by Side velocity comparison bulletseeker, magneto speed, and labradar.
nice, thanks. I tend to trust the MS for true muzzle velocity. I know where the MS is picking up the shot, I know where a optical is picking up the shot. With a doppler that point is where that radar pulse picks up the bullet. Having said that, knowing the exact FPS is unimportant in my opinion. As long as I know what my dial up is 5 or 10 FPS is irrelevant. The target tells me everything else I need to know

But anyway thanks for taking the time to make a video. It is nice to see some competition out there in doppler units. Some day I will get one, but that day is not today. The size has came down now and the tech features is getting better. Now only waiting on one with a US distributer and a substantial reduction in price
 


Side by Side velocity comparison bulletseeker, magneto speed, and labradar.
Wow, my side-by-side velocity testing with Labradar and Bulletseeker weren't that far apart.

Did you have the nose cone attachment on the Bulletseeker? I've been using one.
 
Thats pretty much what I have been hearing all along....thanks Bart
I contacted the company. They worked with me but it took some digging.

At first I was basically told I didn’t know how to set up a labradar. Then told the labradar isn’t accurate or reliable. Then I didn’t have the bullet seeker properly set up and the magneto speed was the gold standard. Sent the video of all three side by side comparisons. Was told they couldnt believe the bulletseeker picked up a shot with all of the possible interference. So I made this second video firing 5 shots over the bulletseeker nothing else on. Then loaded the same five cases and shot them over the the labradar. I believe the average between the two was 40feet.

The magneto speed gives an actual muzzle velocity. The labradar catches the bullet at V10 (10 yards) and does a calculation to determine muzzle. The bulletseeker catches the bullet at V10 and that’s the velocity you get. I was told to just add 30 or 40 foot.

 
Wow, my side-by-side velocity testing with Labradar and Bulletseeker weren't that far apart.

Did you have the nose cone attachment on the Bulletseeker? I've been using one.
I did not and was told I should order one. But spending another 100.00 on top of the cost of the bulletseeker was past my pain level. If it needs a cone it should come with one. I actually had two Bulletseekers here to test with.

Bart
 
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I did not and was total I should order one. But spending another 100.00 on top of the cost of the bulletseeker was past my pain level. If it needs a cone it should come with one. I actually had two Bulletseekers here to test with.

Bart
I understand.

I knew I was rolling the dice on Bulletseeker.

In any case the Bulletseeker will get me by until LabRadar come up with something better. I have a hunch they are working on a version 2.

David
 
Somehow it seems like a poor execution of a sales pitch to tell you that
you need to order something else to make it work right......perhaps its just me but,, that just turns me off.
heh heh that reminds me of when I owned a LR and it quit connecting to my phone and tablet .Labradar told me it was my Samsung phones fault that the bluetooth would not connect, so I borrowed my daughters Iphone and it would not connect. Between the two companies that comprised about 90% + of the phones/tablets in the world at that time. But Labradar's bluetooth is/was perfect according to their CS .. yeah sure

I am still hoping Caldwell might get off their tushies and deliver a sub $500 dopler someday
 
heh heh that reminds me of when I owned a LR and it quit connecting to my phone and tablet .Labradar told me it was my Samsung phones fault that the bluetooth would not connect, so I borrowed my daughters Iphone and it would not connect. Between the two companies that comprised about 90% + of the phones/tablets in the world at that time. But Labradar's bluetooth is/was perfect according to their CS .. yeah sure

I am still hoping Caldwell might get off their tushies and deliver a sub $500 dopler someday

It'll be a while longer, the Chinese are busy dealing with the latest COVD restrictions. ;-):eek:
 
It'll be a while longer, the Chinese are busy dealing with the latest COVD restrictions. ;-):eek:
no rush, I have setting the Prochrono up down to an art. Anyway seen 2 new dopplers come out this year, hard to say what will happen next. Who knows, a miracle could happen and Labradar might get around to updating their unit and/or dropping the price to something more reasonable
 

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