Another components price thread

[miningshawn]

I don't know about you, but I've just about had my fill of complaints about the price of components - primers in particular.

1.) The cost of almost every single component in the manufacturing of a primer has doubled or more in the last one and a half years. The manufacturer HAS to pass this price on or go bust.
2.) The cost of labor, and retaining good employees, has gone up over 50% in the last year and a half. Be truly honest with yourself, would you work one of the absolutely most dangerous jobs in manufacturing when McDonald's pays the same? Not to mention it is significantly less stressful and most likely closer to home. I wouldn't live in a primer shack for $14.50 an hour, and neither would you.
3.) Copper and zinc have doubled in spot price in the last 9 months. Lead is up significantly. These are the 3 basic minerals that make the brass and bullets you are complaining about.
4.) Making all of these components in the manufacturing industry requires power, and a lot of it. Everyone's power bills have gone up.
5.) Don't even get me started on inflation.
6.) Moving components from manufacturers to LGS shelves has gone up. There is a shortage of HAZMAT qualified drivers on the road, and getting a HAZMAT certification just got a LOT more expensive and harder to achieve. The cost of fuel, the cost and lack of repair parts has not helped at all.

So am I sticking up for the evil manufacturers that don't sell their product at a loss? No, but I am a realist and I wouldn't produce something for less than I can make it for.

It's time to face the music. Until the cost of materials, labor, logistics, and inflation normalize there will be a drought. Of course there are other factors, and of course there is profiteering going on. The vast majority of us on this board know when a product is vastly overpriced - just look at anything on GunBroker. But to expect prices to fall to the same level as 2 years ago given all that has happened is just unrealistic and quite honestly, childlike. Just be glad we are starting to see things turning up on shelves instead of retailers and profiteers immediately putting them on GB.

I believe that the cost of primers - as of this rant - will stabilize at around $0.07 each. That is all I can expect, and when I see $70.00 per 1K I am going to buy them without grumbling. When I buy powder I expect to pay $35 - $40 per pound. Bullets have almost exactly doubled in price from two years ago. I am fine with that.

Why, you may ask? It is STILL cheaper than buying loaded ammunition - even "Match" ammunition. I have the ability to make accurate and high quality ammunition, (dare I say "Match Ammo"?), for any rifle that is cheaper, more consistent, and more accurate than any manufacturer's offering.

It's time to remove your tinfoil hat, put away the conspiracy theories, and buy what you can, when you can, considering all of this. The halcyon days of cheap components are behind us, and I don't think they are ever coming back. Don't like the price? Vote differently, and convince everyone you know to vote differently.

Or take up golf.

 

[451whitworth]

To your 6 points I say "flimshaw!". It's greed/gouging don't you know. I find the complaining threads kinda fascinating as it makes me wonder what people actually do for a living to be insulated from labor prices/shortages, raw material/commodities prices, and supply chain slow downs. Or maybe I'm used to it because I deal with it daily.

 

[338 dude]

I don't know about you, but I've just about had my fill of complaints about the price of components - primers in particular.

1.) The cost of almost every single component in the manufacturing of a primer has doubled or more in the last one and a half years. The manufacturer HAS to pass this price on or go bust.
2.) The cost of labor, and retaining good employees, has gone up over 50% in the last year and a half. Be truly honest with yourself, would you work one of the absolutely most dangerous jobs in manufacturing when McDonald's pays the same? Not to mention it is significantly less stressful and most likely closer to home. I wouldn't live in a primer shack for $14.50 an hour, and neither would you.
3.) Copper and zinc have doubled in spot price in the last 9 months. Lead is up significantly. These are the 3 basic minerals that make the brass and bullets you are complaining about.
4.) Making all of these components in the manufacturing industry requires power, and a lot of it. Everyone's power bills have gone up.
5.) Don't even get me started on inflation.
6.) Moving components from manufacturers to LGS shelves has gone up. There is a shortage of HAZMAT qualified drivers on the road, and getting a HAZMAT certification just got a LOT more expensive and harder to achieve. The cost of fuel, the cost and lack of repair parts has not helped at all.

So am I sticking up for the evil manufacturers that don't sell their product at a loss? No, but I am a realist and I wouldn't produce something for less than I can make it for.

It's time to face the music. Until the cost of materials, labor, logistics, and inflation normalize there will be a drought. Of course there are other factors, and of course there is profiteering going on. The vast majority of us on this board know when a product is vastly overpriced - just look at anything on GunBroker. But to expect prices to fall to the same level as 2 years ago given all that has happened is just unrealistic and quite honestly, childlike. Just be glad we are starting to see things turning up on shelves instead of retailers and profiteers immediately putting them on GB.

I believe that the cost of primers - as of this rant - will stabilize at around $0.07 each. That is all I can expect, and when I see $70.00 per 1K I am going to buy them without grumbling. When I buy powder I expect to pay $35 - $40 per pound. Bullets have almost exactly doubled in price from two years ago. I am fine with that.

Why, you may ask? It is STILL cheaper than buying loaded ammunition - even "Match" ammunition. I have the ability to make accurate and high quality ammunition, (dare I say "Match Ammo"?), for any rifle that is cheaper, more consistent, and more accurate than any manufacturer's offering.

It's time to remove your tinfoil hat, put away the conspiracy theories, and buy what you can, when you can, considering all of this. The halcyon days of cheap components are behind us, and I don't think they are ever coming back. Don't like the price? Vote differently, and convince everyone you know to vote differently.

Or take up golf.

Golf sucks! Lol

 

[drop_point]

#5 don't get you started on inflation? Haven't all your points been "inflation"?

Where are you getting your numbers from? I cannot find for the life of me where wages have doubled. I know mine haven't. I know people in some of the plants you mention who weren't making McDonald's wages before, and their salaries haven't doubled, either.

Also, where did your information about bullets doubling come from? I was just looking on my load bench last week planning to buy some V-Maxes for the summer. They were $20.99/100 in 2017 or 2018 when I last purchased them according to the sticker on the box--of course the LGS has typically been a little higher than the online stores. Here they are in-stock and available today:

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 40 Grain V-Max 100 Count

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 40 Grain V-Max 100 Count by HORNADY Product Overview With its combination of proven materials, innovative design and streamlined profile, the Hornady V-MAX represents the pinnacle of what a specialized varmint bullet can achieve, offering straight-line trajectories...

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

Obviously not doubled.


I'm not a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. I don't believe there are artificial supply controls in place. However, I do not believe that $120/1000 primers at the Brunos and the Midways of the world is due to inflation and material prices, especially when I can buy the same primers (when in stock) for $60-70 locally. Those margins are going to somebody. It is NOT the manufacturer.

 

[K22]

I tried golf about 30 or is 40 years ago. I couldn't concentrate since I kept looking for ground hogs that would occasionally creep out of the tree lines.

Thought about placing my sporter weight varmint rifle in the golf bag but then thought the better of it, the management wouldn't have liked that at all.

PS: The more we post and talk about it, the more panic it will create - just a thought.

 

[wildcatter]

#5 don't get you started on inflation? Haven't all your points been "inflation"?

Where are you getting your numbers from? I cannot find for the life of me where wages have doubled. I know mine haven't. I know people in some of the plants you mention who weren't making McDonald's wages before, and their salaries haven't doubled, either.

Also, where did your information about bullets doubling come from? I was just looking on my load bench last week planning to buy some V-Maxes for the summer. They were $20.99/100 in 2017 or 2018 when I last purchased them according to the sticker on the box--of course the LGS has typically been a little higher than the online stores. Here they are in-stock and available today:

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 40 Grain V-Max 100 Count

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 40 Grain V-Max 100 Count by HORNADY Product Overview With its combination of proven materials, innovative design and streamlined profile, the Hornady V-MAX represents the pinnacle of what a specialized varmint bullet can achieve, offering straight-line trajectories...

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

Obviously not doubled.


I'm not a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. I don't believe there are artificial supply controls in place. However, I do not believe that $120/1000 primers at the Brunos and the Midways of the world is due to inflation and material prices, especially when I can buy the same primers (when in stock) for $60-70 locally. Those margins are going to somebody. It is NOT the manufacturer.

It would be nice if labor charges were all manufactures had think about, unlike you they have to deal with reality!
Try combining the cost of fuel, you know, what they have to pay for to keep the lights on, the machinery running, pay the shippers increases twice,,, once bringing materials in, then again increases shipping materials out.

Then how about those materials they use, what % did the cost of those materials go up, and since we call this manufacturing, how many materials rose in price.

Did you ever notice when wages go up, so does the cost to insure employees, and then if the have paid personal insurance how much did that go up,,, oh ya and when was the last time your property insurance didn't go up every couple years, I assure any business pays a hell of a lot more for their insurance, and when you talk about a business that deals in explosives,,, bend over, and expect raises every time anything goes up!!

I just bought 800 mcci 450's locally for 45 dollars,, but only someone living in a closet would think they could buy them wholesale at the price,,, ya they were in the red packaging!! If your paying 60 bucks a 1000, yer buying old stock maybe they bought a shop out or an estate, but any new pricing online that comes from those at below retail your going to give more than that with hazmat and shipping!

But prices are subject to all costs, not just labor! And buy the way,, those 22's are being sold at scalper pricing, their only 20.88 in stock at PV, but trust me, warehouses have had them stocked for some time, wait till they have another run!! Old stock should be cheaper! everything I mentioned was cheaper!

 

[Fern]

I’ll just throw my two cents in. Components have gone up for sure but the primers in general is greed.
I live near Bruno’s and nothing there ESPECIALLY primers has a price because prices on them as often as the wind blows.
the staff there is great and I have bought numerous items and 8lbs of pounder from them. They were a about $25 more expensive then online but they had them and I thought $25 was worth it.
I found some br2 primers at sportsman one morning for $60 (paid I think $40 two years ago). After work same day I stopped by Bruno’s and same primers were I believe $140.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Lemme get a dollah worff

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Lemme get a dollah worff

Now that’s funny!
I can see the Merchant laying one primer down on the block and Whack, cuts it in half with his butcher knife!

 

[bozo699]

I don't know about you, but I've just about had my fill of complaints about the price of components - primers in particular.

1.) The cost of almost every single component in the manufacturing of a primer has doubled or more in the last one and a half years. The manufacturer HAS to pass this price on or go bust.
2.) The cost of labor, and retaining good employees, has gone up over 50% in the last year and a half. Be truly honest with yourself, would you work one of the absolutely most dangerous jobs in manufacturing when McDonald's pays the same? Not to mention it is significantly less stressful and most likely closer to home. I wouldn't live in a primer shack for $14.50 an hour, and neither would you.
3.) Copper and zinc have doubled in spot price in the last 9 months. Lead is up significantly. These are the 3 basic minerals that make the brass and bullets you are complaining about.
4.) Making all of these components in the manufacturing industry requires power, and a lot of it. Everyone's power bills have gone up.
5.) Don't even get me started on inflation.
6.) Moving components from manufacturers to LGS shelves has gone up. There is a shortage of HAZMAT qualified drivers on the road, and getting a HAZMAT certification just got a LOT more expensive and harder to achieve. The cost of fuel, the cost and lack of repair parts has not helped at all.

So am I sticking up for the evil manufacturers that don't sell their product at a loss? No, but I am a realist and I wouldn't produce something for less than I can make it for.

It's time to face the music. Until the cost of materials, labor, logistics, and inflation normalize there will be a drought. Of course there are other factors, and of course there is profiteering going on. The vast majority of us on this board know when a product is vastly overpriced - just look at anything on GunBroker. But to expect prices to fall to the same level as 2 years ago given all that has happened is just unrealistic and quite honestly, childlike. Just be glad we are starting to see things turning up on shelves instead of retailers and profiteers immediately putting them on GB.

I believe that the cost of primers - as of this rant - will stabilize at around $0.07 each. That is all I can expect, and when I see $70.00 per 1K I am going to buy them without grumbling. When I buy powder I expect to pay $35 - $40 per pound. Bullets have almost exactly doubled in price from two years ago. I am fine with that.

Why, you may ask? It is STILL cheaper than buying loaded ammunition - even "Match" ammunition. I have the ability to make accurate and high quality ammunition, (dare I say "Match Ammo"?), for any rifle that is cheaper, more consistent, and more accurate than any manufacturer's offering.

It's time to remove your tinfoil hat, put away the conspiracy theories, and buy what you can, when you can, considering all of this. The halcyon days of cheap components are behind us, and I don't think they are ever coming back. Don't like the price? Vote differently, and convince everyone you know to vote differently.

Or take up golf.

Your right about some of it and incorrect about some of it.
Since Obammy ran his printing presses 24/7 for 8 years printing money based on nothing!…. And Brandon’s doing it again yes hyper inflation is inevitable!…when I left ATK in 2015 the kids in primers were making $25 per hour and I know there close to 30 now!
I bought 2 lbs of RL 33 at my local supply for $59.99 each and damn glad to get it Friday!…
And you are correct we’re never going to see 2015 prices on anything ever again in our lifetime so if you want to shoot shut up and pay the man!…and yes I’m sick of listening to the sniveling too!…it is what it is!…
Wayne

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Now that’s funny!
I can see the Merchant laying one primer down on the block and Whack, cuts it in half with his butcher knife!

Then you say “uhhh, you got change for a hunnit?” As you unroll about 50 of them.

 

[searcher]

I don't know about you, but I've just about had my fill of complaints about the price of components - primers in particular.

1.) The cost of almost every single component in the manufacturing of a primer has doubled or more in the last one and a half years. The manufacturer HAS to pass this price on or go bust.
2.) The cost of labor, and retaining good employees, has gone up over 50% in the last year and a half. Be truly honest with yourself, would you work one of the absolutely most dangerous jobs in manufacturing when McDonald's pays the same? Not to mention it is significantly less stressful and most likely closer to home. I wouldn't live in a primer shack for $14.50 an hour, and neither would you.
3.) Copper and zinc have doubled in spot price in the last 9 months. Lead is up significantly. These are the 3 basic minerals that make the brass and bullets you are complaining about.
4.) Making all of these components in the manufacturing industry requires power, and a lot of it. Everyone's power bills have gone up.
5.) Don't even get me started on inflation.
6.) Moving components from manufacturers to LGS shelves has gone up. There is a shortage of HAZMAT qualified drivers on the road, and getting a HAZMAT certification just got a LOT more expensive and harder to achieve. The cost of fuel, the cost and lack of repair parts has not helped at all.

So am I sticking up for the evil manufacturers that don't sell their product at a loss? No, but I am a realist and I wouldn't produce something for less than I can make it for.

It's time to face the music. Until the cost of materials, labor, logistics, and inflation normalize there will be a drought. Of course there are other factors, and of course there is profiteering going on. The vast majority of us on this board know when a product is vastly overpriced - just look at anything on GunBroker. But to expect prices to fall to the same level as 2 years ago given all that has happened is just unrealistic and quite honestly, childlike. Just be glad we are starting to see things turning up on shelves instead of retailers and profiteers immediately putting them on GB.

I believe that the cost of primers - as of this rant - will stabilize at around $0.07 each. That is all I can expect, and when I see $70.00 per 1K I am going to buy them without grumbling. When I buy powder I expect to pay $35 - $40 per pound. Bullets have almost exactly doubled in price from two years ago. I am fine with that.

Why, you may ask? It is STILL cheaper than buying loaded ammunition - even "Match" ammunition. I have the ability to make accurate and high quality ammunition, (dare I say "Match Ammo"?), for any rifle that is cheaper, more consistent, and more accurate than any manufacturer's offering.

It's time to remove your tinfoil hat, put away the conspiracy theories, and buy what you can, when you can, considering all of this. The halcyon days of cheap components are behind us, and I don't think they are ever coming back. Don't like the price? Vote differently, and convince everyone you know to vote differently.

Or take up golf.

That was a very depressing narrative, my friend. And all true, I'm afraid.

 

[drop_point]

It would be nice if labor charges were all manufactures had think about, unlike you they have to deal with reality!
Try combining the cost of fuel, you know, what they have to pay for to keep the lights on, the machinery running, pay the shippers increases twice,,, once bringing materials in, then again increases shipping materials out.

Then how about those materials they use, what % did the cost of those materials go up, and since we call this manufacturing, how many materials rose in price.

Did you ever notice when wages go up, so does the cost to insure employees, and then if the have paid personal insurance how much did that go up,,, oh ya and when was the last time your property insurance didn't go up every couple years, I assure any business pays a hell of a lot more for their insurance, and when you talk about a business that deals in explosives,,, bend over, and expect raises every time anything goes up!!

I just bought 800 mcci 450's locally for 45 dollars,, but only someone living in a closet would think they could buy them wholesale at the price,,, ya they were in the red packaging!! If your paying 60 bucks a 1000, yer buying old stock maybe they bought a shop out or an estate, but any new pricing online that comes from those at below retail your going to give more than that with hazmat and shipping!

But prices are subject to all costs, not just labor! And buy the way,, those 22's are being sold at scalper pricing, their only 20.88 in stock at PV, but trust me, warehouses have had them stocked for some time, wait till they have another run!! Old stock should be cheaper! everything I mentioned was cheaper!

I don't live in reality? The material cost and labor costs don't add up to $120/1000. When different sellers are selling for different prices, it means that somebody is charging more along the distribution chain, if not the retailer themselves.

And I can assure you, Academy Sports isn't selling "old stock".

 

[rijndael]

When different sellers are selling for different prices, it means that somebody is charging more along the distribution chain, if not the retailer themselves.

And I can assure you, Academy Sports isn't selling "old stock".

I don't know about the gun industry, but at work we're still buying goods bought at 2021 prices because of a contract, BPA. It works out great when prices rise.

 

[drop_point]

I don't know about the gun industry, but at work we're still buying goods bought at 2021 prices because of a contract, BPA. It works out great when prices rise.

Yeah, but I still don't think think the local gun shops were running contracts. Academy, maybe. But 2021 prices weren't much different than 2022 so far.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Retailers are running point of sale integation, "stock" ordered when needed, reducing inventory. Manufacturing runs same principle, materials for orders/builds. What are ammo manufacturers making 9mm(80% of sales). Than anything else, supply (stock) tightens and prices increase. The government handing out billions in "stimulus" money jacks inflation rates, and Joe regulating energy production and transport adds to inflation(costs). All of this meant to destabilize the US economy/dollar. When the Fed starts recalling all the funny money for destruction, inflation will increase. Marxist need to collapse the economy and the middle-class, to over turn the constitutional republic.

 

[wildcatter]

I don't live in reality? The material cost and labor costs don't add up to $120/1000. When different sellers are selling for different prices, it means that somebody is charging more along the distribution chain, if not the retailer themselves.

And I can assure you, Academy Sports isn't selling "old stock".

I missed the point. I don't see how they are selling any,,, I just bought cci 450's 100.00 1000. I've seen scalpers ripping shooters but they wont be selling to, and that means anything, ever. I see a lot advertised for less but always outa stock when they are!