Another bullet pointing question.

[4xforfun]

Ok, so..lets pretend ......just for a second ... that I don't know a thing about bullet pointing and trimming. AAWWW HELL..lets face it, I really don't know anything about bullet pointing and trimming!!!

I shoot 2 calibers mainly....6mm and 30 cal. I shoot several different 6mm bullets (105 VLD hunting, 108 BT and 105 Hybird) and 4 different 30 cal bullets (200, 215, and 230 Hybirds, and 210 vld's).

How much "equipment" would I need to get set up?

I see some of you "big guys" are pointing bullets and enjoying some sucsess in long range BR. The pointing has to be the key, because you are all TERRIBLE marksmen otherwise!!

Thanks,
Tod

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Call John Hoover and tell him you need everything to trim and point those bullets and calibers. He sells the best stuff in my opinion. I did back to back group testing at 1k and the pointed/trimmed bullets shot better every time. I trim and point all my match bullets.

 

[Bob Sebold]

If you only shoot 6mm at mid range I do not think you gain much. The meplat on them is very small already and mid range is what it is-mid range. You do gain a bit at 1000 yrds with 7mm so 30 would be better gain in my opinion. They both have larger meplat. Some could argue that 3-5% potential gain is a gain at any distance but I think if you are shooting midrange the gain is minimal with smaller calibers. I use a whidden pointer, nothing wrong with it. You can buy individual calibers as you need them but they ain't cheap. I quit trimming all together as I think its a waste of time, but that's up to you. I do not have time to waste, I will make all the time required to improving my loads, IF I see any benefit. I cannot tell any improvement after trimming, I can tell you it takes some time and is a pain. That's why I choose not to do it.

Definite gain at 1000 yrds for larger calibers.

 

[swampshooter]

+1 on call John Hoover. He's been doing it for many years. I just talked to him yesterday, it was very informative. Don't worry if his wife answers, John claims she knows as much or more than him. (814) 684-5322. For F-class shooters, even at mid-range, (600 yds.) with a 3" X ring, improving the precision of our bullets and having more consistent BC's has to help. It's only 1 and 1/2" to the 10 ring and only 4 and 1/2" to the 9 ring, and that's assuming that our shot execution is perfect. At long range, environmental and wind discrepancies play a much greater role in shot dispersion. So having consistent BC's is even more critical. But at mid-range the environmental discrepancies are less important and so our scores are affected more by raw precision capabilities. I ordered the complete outfit from John yesterday so don't really have first hand experience yet. I do know that the top shooters at our small mid-range F-class club are tipping their bullets and winning.

 

[dragman]

Just my opinion I don't think there is any gain besides the confidence factor or maybe I'm just not good enough to see it. the "thought that it helps" is just as important as it actually helping.

 

[johnnyi]

Here are some details about bullet pointing with some testing detail...

http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletpointer.html

 

[Ruger15151]

Call John Hoover and tell him you need everything to trim and point those bullets and calibers. He sells the best stuff in my opinion. I did back to back group testing at 1k and the pointed/trimmed bullets shot better every time. I trim and point all my match bullets.

Alex

I know this is a very old thread but I want to start trimming and pointing my Berger 180 Hybrids. I have ordered a Hoover Die from Accuracy One. However, I haven't decided to trim yet.

Do you trim all bullets to the same length then tip? ...or, do your sort by AOL then time a specific amount a specific amount then tip? Furthermore, how much do you remove before tipping and who makes the best trimmer?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

It has been a long time and i have learned a lot more about pointing. There is no correct amount of trim or point. You will need to test different trim lengths and pointing amounts on target at distance. Your bullets may like to be trimmed a certain amount, they may not like it at all. Same goes for pointing. Dont do it blindly, its not about bc its about accuracy. The meplat shape and size can improve accuracy or hurt it. This is another part of tuning.

 

[LVLAaron]

100 percent, call Hoover. There are other setups out there... you see them for sale often... for a reason. Never seen anyone sell hoover stuff. It's the business.

Bullet Tipping Die

The Bullet Tipping Die is designed to improve ballistic coefficient, accuracy and consistency. Use with a wide variety of bullet types and calibers.

bullettipping.com

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

Ok, I am lazy. what about meplat trimming only. for the sake of argument would it improve aerodynamic/ performance.

 

[WSnyder]

Ok, I am lazy. what about meplat trimming only. for the sake of argument would it improve aerodynamic/ performance.

The simplistic answer is trimming uniforms the bullets BC but reduces the BC, trimming can gain back the lost BC. As Alex alluded to above it’s not just that simple.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

or to put it another way, what would be the best ONE thing to do a bullet tip?

The simplistic answer is trimming uniforms the bullets BC but reduces the BC, trimming can gain back the lost BC. As Alex alluded to above it’s not just that simple.

I suppose it is possible to reduce BC, but increase uniformity, only to effect distance shooting. I have looked at the open tips on some pretty nice bullets, they look like jagged volcanoes under a glass. It is dammed hard to cheat physics, but I try to all the time.