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Annie Induction Annealer

farmer44

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Anyone have any input on this model? I have looked at others that are right at $1000.00 Dang I just cant warrant that money even though it was quite impressive. I have a annealer now but has the flame and not really fond of that in my shop. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
I've had one for about 2 months and could not be happier. I got it with their water recirculator and water cooled coil. I do have to feed it manually but, since the water cooled setup is very fast, 50 .223 or 6mmbr cases only take about 10 minutes. In addition, the water cooled coil would require you to raise the base unit up slightly, depending on the height of the cases you're annealing. I also like that the footprint is very small. The warranty is lifetime. Buy one.
 
Mine is my first annealer, and I think it's a great start. Last night I annealed 50 - 6.5 Creedmore cases in less than 10 minutes,made quick adjustment and did 70 -17 Fireball cases. Once you have the cycle time figured out it only takes seconds to anneal. I like being able to do small lots of cases without much set up time. Two of my buds have Ken Leight machines that's the only other machine I have experience with.
James
 
I've gone for the AMP annealer and plan to test that out next week once I've run my new 280AI in this weekend. New to the world of annealing so I'm looking forward to it.
 
The AMP machine is without a doubt the most impressive but that's a lot of money and being a senior citizen lol doubt I would ever get my money's worth out of it.
What can I expect to pay for a Annie with the water cooled coil?
 
check their prices here http://www.fluxeon.com/flux/
you may be able to build the water recirculator yourself to save a little. I didn't want to be bothered finding the correctly spec'd pump so I just got theirs.
 
Yea I agree I am no inventor !! I did check it out and seems like it my be roughly half the price of the AMP. I will have to do some pondering on this and perhaps I can find a used AMP that would be more realistic. Thanks for the input old_dood.
 
I viewed that post dang you must be a electrical engineer LOL very impressive. Here is my issue with any other system than the AMP. and correct me if I'm wrong. I currently have a annealing system brand not important but each time you set it up it seems to me that its just a guessing game due to the flame, temp, brand of brass etc. I am only thinking its done properly by the look of it. With the AMP it will be constant each time due to the research and testing done. (thus the price). I am thinking with the annie it would take numerous attempts to get a setting that one would only think would be the proper setting. Just like my flame adjustment and speed settings. It just seems that the purpose of the annealing process is precession and speaking for my self only I am not sure I can accomplish that on a consistent basis with making adjustments every time I use it.
 
every time I use mine I paint one case with 750 degree Tempilaq and anneal it at the same setting I used the last time for that type case. It has never varied from when it was first set up. First time set up took 4 or 5 cases. If you can find a used AMP for anywhere near what you'd pay for an Annie, that would be a great deal.
 
I agree old_dood I was also checking out the various pilots for varying calibers and see that with my wildcat cartridges I would incur a lot of expense also going with the AMP, seems that I would need perhaps 7 or so. Perhaps the Annie would be my better option. Shewww decisions but always welcome input.
 
I I am thinking with the annie it would take numerous attempts to get a setting that one would only think would be the proper setting. Just like my flame adjustment and speed settings. It just seems that the purpose of the annealing process is precession and speaking for my self only I am not sure I can accomplish that on a consistent basis with making adjustments every time I use it.

The set up is quite easy, and once set will always repeat.

1) You must place the case in the same place in the coil each time. That is why I concentrated on a repeatable case locator.Typically I have set each case with the body/shoulder point about in the center of the coil.

2) Paint 750 degree Tempilac on 6 or 8 case necks/shoulders, 450 on the body. Let it dry.

3) Set the Annie anneal time to one of the settings below. ( This is set by pushing in on the digital knob on the Annie, turning to the desired time, then another push to lock in the time.)

4) Anneal that case, place it in a loading block, place a piece of masking tape along the block, note the anneal time on the tape next to the case. Observe the color change on the Tempilac. If not enough, go up in time about .2 seconds and anneal a second case. If too much go down .2 sec.

5) When close, change in .1 sec increments. Record finished time, you are done for that caliber.

It never took more than 9 cases to get a setting. I did melt the neck of a 30-06 when I ran it for about 3 seconds. I expected the bigger, heavier case to take more time. It turns out there is little correlation between case size and time because each of my three height set points are used for two different cases, so each case is not exactly in the center of the coil. Here are the times I used.

223 1.8 sec
22-250 2.7
30-06 1.8
7mm Mag 1.9
6mmBR 2.5

Once you have the Annie times, you will never have to recalibrate, as long as you place the case at the same place in the coil.
 
Understand and because I have loads of time with nothing to do it may be my best route to take.
 
I've had my Annie for the better part of a year. I had some "growing pains" with my unit as it was early in their production. No problem, I am a happy customer! Fluxeon was right on top of correcting my problems.
I believe you still get 3 or 4 Ferrite cores with different cut-outs so you can selectively adjust the actual gap in the core to match the case you are annealing. Turns out, when you enter the correct program number in the AMP unit, you are setting the time as well as the core spacing through a well thought out core mechanism. So, with care you can match the performance of the AMP for half the price.
I had plans to build an automatic dump device to drop the annealed case soon as it is done. But, the Annie is so quick the handling time becomes trivial.
I did some experimenting with mine like winding a coil just like the standard Litz wire coil but with #4 copper wire. When you anneal up to 50 cases, the heat build-up is not significant. In fact, one of my cases, 6.5-284 stretched up to 284 WIN take way more annealing than my 284 WIN W-W cases so I use the #4 wire for them. I will soon begin experimenting with the water cooled coil. I believe the Litz wire coil is over-kill as the skin effect at the frequency the Annie runs at is borderline. I think the solid #4 wire effectively has less resistance than the Litz wire and delivers more power to the case as the Ohmic losses in the solid wire is less than in the Litz wire.
We shall see.
 
Thank you sir, I will definitely give them a call. I really would like to have one. They look much simpler and a lot less space taken up on a relaod bench.
 

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