Annealing? Or thinking about it. Check this out... (Video)

[Ledd Slinger]

...and don't let the folks who use cordless screwdrivers and drills fool you...they all secretly wish they had a Giraud or Bench Source lol

 

[LHSmith]

It's a wonderful piece of precision engineering that will leave you smiling and wondering why you didn't have one all along?

+1 Absolutely. Once you get past indexing the plate so the cases spin concentrically, it's clear sailing.

 

[LHSmith]

LHSmith, Both Huckleberries and Blueberries grow in "Pennsyltucky" They fall into either the Vaccinium species or the Gaylussica species depending on variety. Common names mean doodley-squat. dedogs

7th Generation Monroe Countian. My grandparents called them Huckleberries. In a history book on Monroe Co. published in 1886 they referred to them as huckleberries as they had for decades before. Therefore in my parts they IS huckleberries. Here Latin takes a back seat to Pennsylvania German (aka Pa Dutch) and if ya ain't Dutch, ya ain't much

 

[Joe R]

Ledd Slinger said:
...and don't let the folks who use cordless screwdrivers and drills fool you...they all secretly wish they had a Giraud or Bench Source lol

Really!!!!

I must be an odd ball, because the cost of an annealer is insignificant to me. The reason I won't buy one is simply because IMO the socket method produces the best results, and that's what I'm interested in. If I thought for one second that an annealer (Annie, Benchsource, etc....) produced better results I would buy one.

In my opinion the Giraud is the second best annealer (after the socket method) because at least it saves you time by putting a stack cases and walking away. The others don't even save you time. You have to sit there, like a retard, and feed them one case at the time. So, since they don't do a better job, what do you really gain?

 

[CatShooter]

Ledd Slinger said:
...and don't let the folks who use cordless screwdrivers and drills fool you...they all secretly wish they had a Giraud or Bench Source lol

Really!!!!

I must be an odd ball, because the cost of an annealer is insignificant to me. The reason I won't buy one is simply because IMO the socket method produces the best results, and that's what I'm interested in. If I thought for one second that an annealer (Annie, Benchsource, etc....) produced better results I would buy one.

In my opinion the Giraud is the second best annealer (after the socket method) because at least it saves you time by putting a stack cases and walking away. The others don't even save you time. You have to sit there, like a retard, and feed them one case at the time. So, since they don't do a better job, what do you really gain?

Me too... I looked at the current machines, but they are to time intensive.

I want a machine that will take a Dillon type bulk auto case feeder, have 5 or 6 flame stations, and a fast Geneva clock-work movement so it can process a case every second.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Ledd Slinger said:
...and don't let the folks who use cordless screwdrivers and drills fool you...they all secretly wish they had a Giraud or Bench Source lol

Really!!!!

I must be an odd ball, because the cost of an annealer is insignificant to me. The reason I won't buy one is simply because IMO the socket method produces the best results, and that's what I'm interested in. If I thought for one second that an annealer (Annie, Benchsource, etc....) produced better results I would buy one.

In my opinion the Giraud is the second best annealer (after the socket method) because at least it saves you time by putting a stack cases and walking away. The others don't even save you time. You have to sit there, like a retard, and feed them one case at the time. So, since they don't do a better job, what do you really gain?

I used to think the same about optics. Thought I could see what I was looking at good enough and there was no reason to spend all that money on top glass. Then I did and wondered why I didn't do it in the first place.

You may have to feed an annealing machine, but you can be doing whatever else you want in the process. I place the annealer behind me on a separate bench away from my powders and primers, fill up the wheel and start reloading on the other bench, it will feed something like 10 or 12 cases (can't remember without looking) before I need to put more in the wheel. So I turn around every minute or so and take a whole 2 seconds to fill it up again. You just make it part of your reloading rhythm. And if you forget, no big deal, it will keep running as if there were cases. Sooner or later you'll notice you're not hearing brass drop into the bucket, so you just turn around and fill the wheel up and go back to what you were doing. It's mindless and simple.

The only reason you can't see the reason to buy one is because you have never used one. Yes they're a little spendy. So are good optics. Are they worth it? You betcha!

 

[LHSmith]

Really!!!!

I must be an odd ball,
You have to sit there, like a retard, and feed them one case at the time. So, since they don't do a better job, what do you really gain?

Well, I think it odd that Joe R., a mere mortal, thinks he can beat the consistency and speed of a machine. I'm guessing you have it mastered to the point of running 2 torches and a drill in each hand. Hey, whatever works for you.
Funny, I used to feel like a retard holding the case in a battery powered tool that resembles and sounds like those self-pleasuring toys for women.

 

[bigedp51]

You need to watch for a magenta/fuchsia blend for the main colour, with a tings of aged blueberry, but not Maine blueberries, it MUST be North Western New York State blueberries, from the great lakes region. If the blue looks like the Maine blueberry, the whole batch of cases are ruined and need to be crushed to save humanity from such inept efforts.

There... happy now

You CANNOT determine the state of anneal from colour - the above cases were the same make, annealed at the same time, by propane from the same well... and they look completely different - the necks are the same hardness.

But I had to destroy them, cuz they had a tinge of Pennsylvania blueberry - and EVERYBODY knows that is very badd!!!

When I read this I see a lot of raspberries and dingleberries in the coloring. And since you spelled it colour it might also have a hint of limey in it.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

You'd be surprised how fast the annealing machines are. I don't know how many times I've been doing other tasks in the garage, going by the machine even so often to fill it up, then saying "huh? I already annealed a hundred cases?...ok, cool. Turn it off and go back to what I was doing.

I'll anneal cases while using my drill press, grinding, cutting wood, beating on something in my vise, modifying something with my bench sander or dremel, etc...Doesn't have to be when you're reloading, you can do it whenever. It's always there, set up and ready to rock. When you're not thinking about it, the cases fly through it so fast you won't believe it. And the best part is that you never have to wonder if they were done correctly because EVERY case hits the flame for the exact same amount of time with the exact same rotation speed. Perfect every time

 

[CatShooter]

[...] And since you spelled it colour it might also have a hint of limey in it.

With a heavy hand of Rum in it!

 

[Mikey_P]

Here Latin takes a back seat to Pennsylvania German (aka Pa Dutch) and if ya ain't Dutch, ya ain't much

Say now, don't forget to outen the lights when you leave the room

Down here in Lehigh County we anneal using the drill & socket method. But then, again, what do I know - I'm just a "dumb Dutchman" (actually 1/2 PA Dutch & 1/2 Coalcracker - and proud of it!)...

Mike

 

[akajiggs]

But the point remains,what is the best ,most efficient ,practical and easiest way to anneal.I am color blind and can not see the color change in brass.What to do.

 

[1066]

But the point remains,what is the best ,most efficient ,practical and easiest way to anneal.I am color blind and can not see the color change in brass.What to do.

Use tempilaq.

 

[LHSmith]

But the point remains,what is the best ,most efficient ,practical and easiest way to anneal.I am color blind and can not see the color change in brass.What to do.

That's a tough one. Although not practical in the true sense of the word, there are vendors who offer an annealing service.

 

[LHSmith]

Say now, don't forget to outen the lights when you leave the room

Down here in Lehigh County we anneal using the drill & socket method. But then, again, what do I know - I'm just a "dumb Dutchman" (actually 1/2 PA Dutch & 1/2 Coalcracker - and proud of it!)...

Mike

Howdy Mike , I can appreciate your choice...nobody tighter than a Dutchman. Wie hangst du bouva?

 

[BoydAllen]

Here is another refinement that may be used with any manually timed method. Either pick up an inexpensive electronic metronome (battery powered) or find a web site that has a free program that has one (if your computer is, or can be moved into the same room (laptop) as you anneal in. Set either to 60 beats per second, and start. This will give you an audible one tick per second timer that you can use as a reference. Then simply use an old case of the same type as you will be annealing, and some Tempilaq to deterimine how many seconds are required to anneal cases, with the particular flame setting that you have, and position relative to the case, and start annealing by time, which is what the machines do. A friend, who bought one of the Hornady annealing kits (discontinued) tried this at my suggestion, and told me that it worked very will for him to keep him on track through his first couple of hundred of cases. After that, he had become familiar with how the color progressed down the case, and did not feel that he needed the metronome. The whole point is to not have to use Tempilaq on each case, which saves the application and cleaning time, and to have uniformity of heat time similar to an automatic machine, without having to watch a timer and the case in the flame at the same time. As an aside, my friend's bullet seating force became much more uniform, and his accuracy showed some improvement. This was done for brass for a couple of varmint rifles that he enjoys getting the best possible accuracy from, a .223, and a .22-250.

 

[Danattherock]

Thanks Boyd. Always appreciate your input.

Might find a metronome app or something, seems there is all kinds of stuff for smart phones. Along with some Templaq, I should be able to figure things out before too long without ruining my 50 BMG cases in the process.

Looking forward to seeing what's involved with annealing. Can't possibly be as complicated as some folks make it sound. Bought an Anneal-Rite from a fellow forum member who sent me a PM. He had an attractive price on EBay. Just need to pick up a few caliber specific bars.


Dan

 

[rbertalotto]

Do a search for BRASS ANNEALING MACHINE on my web site www.rvbprecision.com to see the machine I built

 

[calgarycanada]

Has anybody noticed that color of neck turns(in dark room) to maroon(not glowing red) atleast a second or two even after 850 degree tempilaq melts.

So my very very limited experience tells me that either temperature range is not as narrow as we believe or we are destroying our cases(including champions in above article.

Any thoughts???

 

[Catfur]

Them dang Rebels run my Pennsylvania Dutch family out of Adams county 152 years ago...

So I guess that's why I use a Benchsource. It's not rocket science though.