Ammo supply ... again?

[Brians356]

From Seeking Alpha this morning:

The Pentagon is now reviewing its arms stockpiles after seeing how fast ammunition has been drained during the war in Ukraine. General Mark Milley, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the analysis could result in an increase in the U.S. military's $817B annual budget - especially as concerns grow over the security environment should another war break out in the Taiwan Strait ... Earlier this week, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg further announced that "Ukraine is consuming an enormous amount of munitions and depleting allied stockpiles." This is "many times higher than our current rate of production," he cautioned, and "puts our defense industries under strain."

Now to be fair, the problem largely consists of artillery and anti-aircraft cannon projectiles, rockets, mortars, and missiles. But I expect small arms ammunition availability to be affected.
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[Adam in WI]

Quick thought, and a moot point but would they be burning through so much ammo if they had widespread civilian gun ownership?

 

[Jeff Porter]

US has been clearing it inventory of 1980 production artillery that they intend to obsolete soon anyway. Now they can re-supply with the new stuff.

 

[LHSmith]

The previous commander in chief would be charging them and Europe for the material, but then we wouldn't have got into this mess in the first place. And he was actually coherent and could carry on an intelligent conversation.

 

[gdbleb]

It was just on one of biz channels. The Ukrainians are firing off artillery shells in a month what the USA can make in a year. Yet another deficit.

 

[M-61]

The previous commander in chief would be charging them and Europe for the material, but then we wouldn't have got into this mess in the first place. And he was actually coherent and could carry on an intelligent conversation.

My thought is that while any Americans and in particular veterans are hungry, homeless, or in need of medical attention there shouldn’t be even a thought of spending money anywhere except on their problems.
I have serious doubts Trump can get re-elected.
No one in the USA seems to give a shit that the big oil companies have set new highs for profits for starters.

 

[dsinfour]

Send the Ukrainians a bill and let the other European countries do their part with support. We can use the funds in this country to give to the people who are too lazy to work in this country

 

[urbanrifleman]

I have a feeling these lunatics are going to get their war. A real war.

Maybe they can get the trangenders to go fight. Drag Queen Operator Hour.

 

[Jayplace]

My thought is that while any Americans and in particular veterans are hungry, homeless, or in need of medical attention there shouldn’t be even a thought of spending money anywhere except on their problems.
I have serious doubts Trump can get re-elected.
No one in the USA seems to give a shit that the big oil companies have set new highs for profits for starters.

Are you thinking we would be better off letting Ukraine fail and allowing Russia take it over? Ukraine can't fight the war without war supplies and Europe can't supply enough by itself.

The war will be over by the next election and Trump isn't going to support Zelensky, because Zelensky didn't support his request to criticize Biden.

I don't see Trump getting re-elected either. He lost the popular vote in both elections and in the most recent election, his positions and choices were not well received by voters of either party.

 

[Andy Work]

I have a feeling these lunatics are going to get their war. A real war.

Maybe they can get the trangenders to go fight. Drag Queen Operator Hour.

They seem to be doing their best get a real war started.

 

[M-61]

Are you thinking we would be better off letting Ukraine fail and allowing Russia take it over? Ukraine can't fight the war without war supplies and Europe can't supply enough by itself.

The war will be over by the next election and Trump isn't going to support Zelensky, because Zelensky didn't support his request to criticize Biden.

I don't see Trump getting re-elected either. He lost the popular vote in both elections and in the most recent election, his positions and choices were not well received by voters of either party.

Gee, I thought my first paragraph was quite clear in regards to my thinking. In fact I can’t reword it any stronger or more articulately. I hope that answers your only question.
Might want to glance under an interstate occasionally and see a vet living in a cardboard box.
In regards to your last paragraph I see you’re in agreement with me. The sad part is I see no one on the horizon who is going to save the day for the Republican Party.
I didn’t want to go here but I can’t help it so:
I fought a war for these bastard politicians and I hate them all with total equality. Black white all the same. I don’t know them and they surely never knew me. These fuckers are not missing any meals nor any heath care.

 

[okie]

I have a feeling these lunatics are going to get their war. A real war.

Maybe they can get the trangenders to go fight. Drag Queen Operator Hour.

I hope and am praying that you are wrong about the war Urban.
But i am truly afraid that you may be right.

 

[Jayplace]

Gee, I thought my first paragraph was quite clear in regards to my thinking. In fact I can’t reword it any stronger or more articulately. I hope that answers your only question.
Might want to glance under an interstate occasionally and see a vet living in a cardboard box.
In regards to your last paragraph I see you’re in agreement with me. The sad part is I see no one on the horizon who is going to save the day for the Republican Party.
I didn’t want to go here but I can’t help it so:
I fought a war for these bastard politicians and I hate them all with total equality. Black white all the same. I don’t know them and they surely never knew me. These fuckers are not missing any meals nor any heath care.

Certainly no offense intended. There does need to be more effort to support vets and many others too, but there is a limited federal budget and no one wants to pay more taxes or increase the Budget. This Country spends a huge amount towards military support compared to all other spending, but most goes towards arms and arms development. The amount of spending to support Ukraine is fairly small compared to the overall budget. Even though I don't like spending the money for a war someplace else, I'd rather support the Ukrainians fighting the war rather than allow Russia take over Ukraine.

 

[Fuj]

M16's and M4's are being sent and used by the Ukrainian forces.
Stock piles of the old lots of 855 green tip can be had cheap on the
civilian market. Now the the Army is headed in another direction.
All the newer lots of green tip could be seen as obsolete. Ukrainians
would be helping out by clearing out warehousing and making room
for new production. As it is and for the type of war going on over
there. I'd ship them all the M14's we have in inventory, or at least one
per squad as a DMR. Should have 7.62 NATO well over stocked.

 

[JB10]

I think we poke our nose in places sometims that we need to stay out of. Ukraine is not a squeaky clean country. Lots of shady things have gone on over there. US is protecting an interest that's only reason we are involved.

 

[Fuj]

I think we poke our nose in places sometims that we need to stay out of. Ukraine is not a squeaky clean country. Lots of shady things have gone on over there. US is protecting an interest that's only reason we are involved.

One day, Ukraine may join NATO. In that region of the world, It's
a good place to poke your nose. Having worn the uniform it's my
opinion. Five partner countries have shown that they will join NATO
since the outbreak of this tussle. Notably Finland and Sweden.
As for shady things gone on over there ?? You can throw a dart
on any map, and hit a shady country.....Well maybe not Canada....LOL

 

[22BRGUY]

If anyone looks at the advancement of NATO, the broken promises made by the west
after the fall of the Berlin wall, and what happened in Ukraine under Obama and since, it's pretty obvious who the aggressor is.

 

[22BRGUY]

How can anyone justify Biden's attack on a fellow NATO member, namely Germany,
and then denying his own admission and that of Nuland, after the fact?? is
beyond logic.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Gee, I thought my first paragraph was quite clear in regards to my thinking. In fact I can’t reword it any stronger or more articulately. I hope that answers your only question.
Might want to glance under an interstate occasionally and see a vet living in a cardboard box.
In regards to your last paragraph I see you’re in agreement with me. The sad part is I see no one on the horizon who is going to save the day for the Republican Party.
I didn’t want to go here but I can’t help it so:
I fought a war for these bastard politicians and I hate them all with total equality. Black white all the same. I don’t know them and they surely never knew me. These fuckers are not missing any meals nor any heath care.

If anyone looks at the advancement of NATO, the promises made by the west
after the fall of the Berlin wall, and what happened in Ukraine under Obama and since, it's pretty obvious who the aggressor is.

Right?????

Biden and Nuland both went on record saying they would end the pipeline, and then they blew it up and blamed it on PUTIN AND EVERYONE BOUGHT IT??? Americans have sunk so low it's genuinely frightening to me. The willing blindness can no longer simply be waved away as ignorance.

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

seymourhersh.substack.com

Now Seymour Hersh has laid out the whole plot. Of course, I am very suspicious of the entire lack of Israelis in his article.

 

[urbanrifleman]

How can anyone justify Biden's attack on a fellow NATO member, namely Germany,
and then denying his own admission and that of Nuland, after the fact??

America literally attacked Germany. A supposed allie. That explosion caused deaths of Germans. Not to mention the environmental impact.

An obvious act of war against Germany.

Be sure to follow that up with the obvious plan to replace the gas supply with LNG from right here in Old Oklahoma. Which that plot started many years ago and was obviously far on its way. It's almost like they knew they were going to have this war and blow up that pipeline years and years ago. This same group of people. It's always these people.