AI for loading information (Grok, Chat GPT, etc)

[Emmett Dibble]

I saw a couple mentions here in threads (not just reloading) and serveral mentions of FB pages…

DO NOT USE AI FOR LOAD INFO….

I’d also be VERY suspicious of any firearm (or really any info) you get from it.

You’d think it’d go with out saying but….

I’m old, but not that old. When I first started reloading a friend/mentor said it’s not rocket science but don’t be a test pilot.

Using AI (that can and will make up stuff just to fill a niche in an answer) is being a test pilot and unlike that cookie recipe there can be serious consequences for getting it wrong….

That is all, felt the need to vent.

 

[Straightshooter1]

I saw a couple mentions here in threads (not just reloading) and serveral mentions of FB pages…

DO NOT USE AI FOR LOAD INFO….

I’d also be VERY suspicious of any firearm (or really any info) you get from it.

You’d think it’d go with out saying but….

I’m old, but not that old. When I first started reloading a friend/mentor said it’s not rocket science but don’t be a test pilot.

Using AI (that can and will make up stuff just to fill a niche in an answer) is being a test pilot and unlike that cookie recipe there can be serious consequences for getting it wrong….

That is all, felt the need to vent.

Someone has to be a Test Pilot! Though, test pilots know better what they're doing.

 

[Pawnee Bill]

Using AI for anything related to shooting would be like Russian Roulette!

 

[GLShooter]

Kind of like being shot from a cannon and hoping there is a net to catch you.

 

[Krogen]

"Trust but verify" said some famous person. Many of us have questioned load data retrieved from the internet. AI is a step beyond just getting load data from the internet. AI can hallucinate as they say. It can make up stuff!

I use AI to get ideas. I don't trust it implicitly. I always double check its answers. A great example is AI's answers on financial or investing things. I have seen it soooo wrong. But other times it gives me food for thought.

Load data or whatever, take AI's answers with a grain of salt, not as gospel. Realize its limitations and it can be useful.

 

[Jud96]

I don’t understand why some people struggle so bad with finding load data. If you’re brand new with no guidance, just buy a few loading manuals and use online published sources from Hodgdon, Sierra, and Nosler.

If you’re more advanced then you can use something like quickload or GRT. You also can use others data knowing you’ll have to work up to that. There’s a lot of guys on this forum that won’t lead you wrong, but it’s always safe to test things in YOUR rifle.

 

[RabbitSlayer]

AI can do a good job of summarizing stuff. It looks at posts across many forums. After you get the summary it is up to you to follow the links to the posts. If it is something that involves safety like powder charge, you better go find published data cuz AI is often wrong too. If you are getting load data from forums without verifying against published data you are also an idiot. Not all reloading topics are dangerous. Like best way to clean brass or best brand of a reloading tool. For things that are not dangerous, I find it very useful.

 

[Ranger188]

If you are reading this thread, you are already on the best source for reloading info.
More than likely someone here has been there done it.
All you have to do is ask and you will get many people wanting to help out.

 

[ebb]

I have no idea what criteria AI uses to pick its sources of information. There used to be a guy on the net called Gun Kid, mostly prepper forums. He planned on ruling the world after SHTF with his debarked chihuahua and the tactical wheelbarrow. He had some plan of making a 1911 45acp shot a 230 grain bullet 2000FPS. If AI looks at number of posts or number of answers, they may pick Gun Kids reloading advice. I'll stick with the reloading manuals.

 

[Presis Skytter]

I’ve tried looking up some things via AI for reloading. I saw a few responses that triggered me to never fully trust it. They do reference the source so I still have used it but always check out the source first. Seems to be a lot of reference to forums like this one and sometimes the data is accurate and sometime not.

 

[Webster]

I saw a couple mentions here in threads (not just reloading) and serveral mentions of FB pages…

DO NOT USE AI FOR LOAD INFO….

I’d also be VERY suspicious of any firearm (or really any info) you get from it.

You’d think it’d go with out saying but….

I’m old, but not that old. When I first started reloading a friend/mentor said it’s not rocket science but don’t be a test pilot.

Using AI (that can and will make up stuff just to fill a niche in an answer) is being a test pilot and unlike that cookie recipe there can be serious consequences for getting it wrong….

That is all, felt the need to vent.

The manuals are real data not stuff made up by a computer.

 

[Tommie]

I’m just sad that AI no longer means Ackley Improved.

 

[1911nut]

Here’s what I asked Gemini:

What is a good load recipe for a Remington 222 with 52g Barts bullet?

The .222 Remington, or "Triple Deuce," is a legendary benchrest cartridge known for its inherent accuracy and mild manner. Pairing it with Bart’s 52gr Ultra Precision bullets is a classic "match made in heaven" for small groups.
Since every rifle is a unique beast, you’ll want to work up these loads carefully. Here are the most proven "recipes" used by competitive shooters and varmint hunters for this specific combo.

Top Recommended Powders
For a 52gr flat-base bullet like the Bart’s, you want medium-fast burning rifle powders.

Powder	Starting Load (gr)	Max Load (gr)	Why it works
H322	21.0	23.5	Often considered the "gold standard" for the .222. Extremely consistent.
Vihtavuori N133	20.5	23.0	Very clean burning and the choice of many modern benchresters.
IMR 4198	18.5	20.5	The original classic load. Great for shorter barrels.
Benchmark	21.5	23.5	Meters beautifully and is very temperature-stable.

Critical Component Tips
1. The Primer Choice
The .222 has a small case capacity, so you don't need a "hot" primer. In fact, many shooters find better accuracy with milder primers:

• Remington 7 ½: The historical favorite for this caliber.
• CCI 450 or CCI BR-4: If you want a harder cup for slightly higher pressures.
• Fed 205M: A very consistent match primer.

2. Seating Depth
Bart’s bullets are hand-made custom projectiles. To get the most out of them:

• The "Jump": Start by seating the bullet .010" off the lands.
• The "Jam": Some benchrest rifles prefer the bullet slightly touching the rifling, but only do this if you are experienced in reading pressure signs.

3. Brass Prep
If you're using high-end bullets like Bart's, your brass needs to match that quality.

• Lapua or Nosler brass is highly recommended for the .222 to maintain consistent internal volume.
• Ensure you are neck-sizing only if you are shooting this out of a bolt-action rifle to extend brass life and improve concentricity.

Safety Note
Always start at the minimum load and work up in 0.2 or 0.3 grain increments. Watch for flattened primers or stiff bolt lift, especially if you are shooting in the heat of summer.

Would you like me to help you calculate the ballistic trajectory for this load once you've picked a muzzle velocity?

 

[Kevin1990]

I feel like the same should be said for taking random load data from complete strangers on forums.

 

[Park ranger]

I asked about a 41 mag load once just testing it. It would have blow my gun in half.

 

[dryhumor]

I experiment every so often. I trust my judgement far more than I would AI.

After all, AIs goal is to wipe out humanity. I’m sure it knows to start with the low hanging fruit.