Aeromatch Bullets for high volume shooters

[barefooter56]

I truly hope the aeromatch bullets match or even surpass the Berger bullets in accuracy, consistency, and availability. That would be great for EVERYONE in my opinion, but my opinion means nothing. The only question I have is how can any manufacturer (not only Hornady) but any manufacturer who makes a clone claim you don’t have to change your load whatsoever if it’s not the same bullet exactly? Yes it may be the same dimensions/weight/BC but is it the same j4 jacket? Or is it a Hornady jacket? I’m guessing if they are different they probably wont shoot the same as the Berger’s and be 100% plug and play.

They do not use the J4 JACKET. That is our property.

 

[ebb]

Sure looks like corporate espionage, or patten infringement or some sort of other cheating to me. But then again when over the last 3 years you could not find a Berger at any price and shooters were told to "quite their bitching." Maybe it just karma. I wish no one ill will but it seems like over the last 3 or 4 years the only one getting hosed are the shooters.

 

[powderbrake]

Unless there is a patent or Design Patent on the bullet shape, there is no patent infringement, so copying is OK. Lots of companies make stuff that looks like another company's stuff.

From the tests performed by Rank Amateur, the Hornady bullets do not group as well as the Bergers.

I believe that the difference is in the precision and quality control elements that Berger has perfected. Hornady will not be able to duplicate those procedures. A "State of mind" is established in the company that has a certain level of quality, and it is difficult to change that " state of mind". The people tend to make the product to that "remembered" quality level. Hornady has one level, and Berger has another level.

I spent 50 years in the manufacturing business, covering products from reactor rod drive controls on nuclear submarines, digital electronics, strain gage load cells, electromagnetic clutches and brakes, to AR500 Steel shooting targets. I would never have a person who ground slag on plasma cut AR500 targets work on assembling load cells in a clean room. The person's concepts of quality needed to match the performance characteristics of the product.

Yes, you can teach quality, but it takes time, and in general, there is a "corporate" quality level that permeates everything. I am not sure you can change that "corporate" mindset of quality. Hornady has a good quality level, but I believe Berger's is at a higher level.

Another factor is skill level. Learning the product, the process, and the machinery. Working longer at a specific process or product or machine will improve the skill level of the operator, and of the product. You need skilled people to make a high quality product. a bullet press operator has to be able to spot when to change dies, or to adjust the press to continue to produce winning bullets.

It is just like reloading for us, we start off following the manual, and our reloads shoot OK. With time and repetition, (and reading Accurate Shooter) we eventually start shooting X's.

 

[R L U]

Unless there is a patent or Design Patent on the bullet shape, there is no patent infringement, so copying is OK. Lots of companies make stuff that looks like another company's stuff.

From the tests performed by Rank Amateur, the Hornady bullets do not group as well as the Bergers.

I believe that the difference is in the precision and quality control elements that Berger has perfected. Hornady will not be able to duplicate those procedures. A "State of mind" is established in the company that has a certain level of quality, and it is difficult to change that " state of mind". The people tend to make the product to that "remembered" quality level. Hornady has one level, and Berger has another level.

I spent 50 years in the manufacturing business, covering products from reactor rod drive controls on nuclear submarines, digital electronics, strain gage load cells, electromagnetic clutches and brakes, to AR500 Steel shooting targets. I would never have a person who ground slag on plasma cut AR500 targets work on assembling load cells in a clean room. The person's concepts of quality needed to match the performance characteristics of the product.

Yes, you can teach quality, but it takes time, and in general, there is a "corporate" quality level that permeates everything. I am not sure you can change that "corporate" mindset of quality. Hornady has a good quality level, but I believe Berger's is at a higher level.

Another factor is skill level. Learning the product, the process, and the machinery. Working longer at a specific process or product or machine will improve the skill level of the operator, and of the product. You need skilled people to make a high quality product. a bullet press operator has to be able to spot when to change dies, or to adjust the press to continue to produce winning bullets.

It is just like reloading for us, we start off following the manual, and our reloads shoot OK. With time and repetition, (and reading Accurate Shooter) we eventually start shooting X's.

When it comes down to it if they shoot we will get them. Unfortunately after try my first batch out and doing some bullet deconstruction I’m left with a bad feeling about this bullet. Still going to test more but dose not look good. As of now save your money.

 

[ABC1000]

I’ve got a box of the 105 Aero Match on its way. I’ll be testing in both 6 CM and 6 BR. I’m tempted to try them in my current CM but already have the replacement barrel in hand so probably will swap barrel. If I do that, I will maybe test two separate loads (one with hybrids and one with hornadys) . In the BR, my load was 30.2 Varget so I might just try that in both.

For the price I’m paying for the Aero Match bullets, if they shoot anywhere near the Bergers I’ll take it. I’m down to my last 6 boxes that I’ve had for years as yes, I did hoard them lol… I’m prepping for PD shooting this spring so I’ll burn them all up regardless.

 

[TackDriv3r]

I’ve got a box of the 105 Aero Match on its way. I’ll be testing in both 6 CM and 6 BR. I’m tempted to try them in my current CM but already have the replacement barrel in hand so probably will swap barrel. If I do that, I will maybe test two separate loads (one with hybrids and one with hornadys) . In the BR, my load was 30.2 Varget so I might just try that in both.

For the price I’m paying for the Aero Match bullets, if they shoot anywhere near the Bergers I’ll take it. I’m down to my last 6 boxes that I’ve had for years as yes, I did hoard them lol… I’m prepping for PD shooting this spring so I’ll burn them all up regardless.

We look forward to your testing. Thanks all for the heads up.

 

[ABC1000]

We look forward to your testing. Thanks all for the heads up.

I missed my chance to load these over the winter. I’m on to ground squirrel and PDs, so won’t get back to these until summer most likely, but will update when I can get to them.

 

[jackieschmidt]

There is no "deal" here. They are just "trying" to copy our products.

Just a curiosity question.
Hornady really puts a big emphasis on their AMP jackets.
Has anybody ever acquired any and made bullets on them?

About three years ago I inquired about them selling me some to make short 30’s on for Varmint for Score.
I never heard back, so I guess that was a “no”.

I guess I am curious to see if they are as “good” as claimed.