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Ackley Headspace Gauge Question

Hi all,

I was going to order a 22-250AI Go gauge from midway but they are out of stock.

I thought I read somewhere that the AI Go gauge is the same as the parent cartrige No-Go gauge. So I could just order the 22-250 No-Go???

Or do I have it backwards? (or just completly wrong?)

Thanks,
Luke
 
Lots of places besides Midway have the correct gauges..
Have you checked with PT&G--Dave Kiff ...
Brownells....
Dave Manson...
Clymer....
 
Not advocating unsafe gun practices here but i have used a standard case go gauge as a no go gauge for the ackley, eg. .308 win go gauge as a no go gauge for 260AI. Worked perfectly for me but may not be a good thing to rely on.

You can have Pacific Tool and Gauge make you one also.
 
The only Ackley chamber that I ever has an issue with was one cut to a 0 drop on an 7x57 Ackley Go Guage. It ended up long & ever since, right or wrong, I use a new case to headspace & haven't had an issue. You need the shoulder to kiss as the stripped bolt closes. If it does, you're good to go.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies.

I only asked because I was going to order from Midway soon to get some things that are on sale this month.
I'll just get one somewhere else, or wait until they are in stock.

Not advocating unsafe gun practices here but i have used a standard case go gauge as a no go gauge for the ackley, eg. .308 win go gauge as a no go gauge for 260AI.
Rock Knocker, This is what I was referring to, but what I was thinking seemed backwards (and it was).

Thanks,
Luke
 
L128 , you must have read the book . P.O.Ackley said use a standard go-gauge for improved chambers as the no-go. make sure you have resistance on the bolt when it is closed on the (empty) parent case. general rule is at least .004 shorter then the go-gauge . i make them .006 shorter and as for the ackley gauges, i don't use them either .if you lack the knowledge of chambering for an ackley case regardless of what gauge you use . the results can be very bad . T.R
 
Larryh128 said:
The only Ackley chamber that I ever has an issue with was one cut to a 0 drop on an 7x57 Ackley Go Guage. It ended up long & ever since, right or wrong, I use a new case to headspace & haven't had an issue. You need the shoulder to kiss as the stripped bolt closes. If it does, you're good to go.

Have you ever measured a lot of new cases to see if there is any variance in a bag of 50? 100? What lot did you use? What brand? While it can be done and I personally have done it for my own before the guage I ordered arrived they were always to short for a go whether AI or not.

There is NO standard SAMMI length for new brass....NONE!!!!! As drawing dies wear the tolerances change. What was acceptable and safe in your opinion when you did yours may be a lot with .010 long on the readers do it yourself project! Or they may think a FL sized fired case is the same thing. Who's dies did they use to FL size??? Was the case initially fired in a long chamber and FL sized only to spring back a few thousandths? Way too many variables to state a cartridge case is a safe method IMO!

Doing it for yourself is one thing, doing it and stating it is safe and a satisfactory method on any internet forum is darn poor advice and irresponsible in my opinion. Not wanting to bust your balls but we all need to be carefull of what 'advice' we give to others for their own safety. Just sayin........

Respectfully,
Dennis
 
dennis well put, but i do agree with 128 in this respect . how do you know the ackley gauges are safe ? how do you know the brass is not shorter than the ackley gauge you are using to chamber with ? if the bolt closes on a piece of brass without resistance don't use it . you can check all your empty brass before you load and double check when firing at the range . i use standard gauges as i stated but your chamber must be shorter than the go gauge and the brass you are using . dennis your are right about the used brass your asking for trouble . as for checking the brass i have 300 pieces to do just this weekend for an ackley i am building . the brass all will go in the chamber with resistance or they will not be used .as stated in the previous post brass is not all the same size.
ackley chambers do not allow you much room for error .i would seek out those who know how to chamber for them and be safe .do not confuss this for a how to do list ,it is just a friendly warning .T.R.
 
The bolt closes, the chamber gets dark, then for most the the light goes out. I check head space at least two different ways without a go, no or beyond head space gage, on some rifles that would be three different ways., for most this is not possible because they are too consumer oriented. I sent a Winchester Model 70 300 Win Mag back to Winchester, long story, we had words, all I wanted was a full length sizer die to fit their chamber OR a chamber that fit my dies, and SAMMY was no where in sight. The chamber was too long, too large in diameter and gouged,, and Winchester said the rifle chamber needed to be polished, or honed, or reamed, then I ask? If the chamber is too long, too large in diameter and gouged how is polishing, honing and or reaming going to remove the ugly from the ugliest chamber I have ever seen...and then I am told that is their policy, and again SAMMY was never mentioned as a standard or reference, and all I wanted was a die to fit their chamber, or a chamber to fit my dies, for the 300 Winchester Mag I have full length sizer dies, a forming/trim die, neck sizer die and a versatile full length sizer die, and they could not understand the difference between my dies and their chamber was time.

The Ackley chamber, there are three different ones, in the perfect world the rifle chamber starts out as an Ackley Improved chamber, next the chamber starts out as a 30/06 chamber and later is chambered to an Ackley chamber, in this configuration not all of the old 30/06 chamber is removed, not a problem unless the shooter/reloader has a set of Ackley full length sizer dies and or thinks the parent case will head space in the Ackley chamber, it will not.

The Ackley Improved neck is longer than the neck of the parent case. meaning when the parent-case is chamber in the perfect Ackley chamber the short neck of the parent case is sized (formed) when chambered, thus resistance to bolt closing, the rest of the shoulder and case body is formed when fired, most have no clue because they do not measure before and after but because time is a factor when fired to form, the case gets shorter, not longer, blow out the case does not mean out the barrel, it means out against the chamber, AND, when this happens the neck is pulled back, part of the shoulder becomes part of the part of the neck and part of the case body becomes part of the shoulder.

Then there is the 30/06? chambered to the Ackley Improved by moving the barrel back, moving the barrel back allows the reamer to remove all of the original chamber, then? if the neck diameter is the same or if the original neck diameter is smaller in diameter, no problem. Unless, someone decides to go from 7mm57 to 280 Remington Ackley Improved, then there are 8mm chambers that will result in necks with two different diameters if research is not done first.

F. Guffey
 

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