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Accurize my hunting 22lr

I really think you have your wires crossed Tim - I haven't posted any groups, simply re-posted the group shot by Geno with the measurements you rightly queried.

I just ran the photo through "On Target" to give Geno a rough idea of what the group size would be as we would normally measure.

The two centre groups (post 26), measured by Geno as .197 and .267 I measured as .273 and .338 - Although not as accurate as an optical gage, I've found "On Target" to be fairly accurate, quick and easy. Of course, there may be issues with taking measurement via a copied photo, but if, as I guess, the grids are 1" then they won't be far out.

A simple apology will suffice Tim.[/QUOTE

Yes, you are absolutely right, the commentary was ultimately at the groups the OP put up. Somewhere the quote & post got screwed up, you're corrections seem to be what I would have expected.
Sometimes the quotes and reposts are all over the place, I should have paid closer attention, my apology.

The first part of the response, regarding the status of improved accuracy in fimfire.......that, is correct, lots of improvement in equipment, ammo and shooter ability.
 
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Thank you Tim, I believe we're back on track

I can't deny that there has been progress, especially in the last few years. This, I believe has been driven by the popularity of rimfire BR.

On the other hand, if we try and take the skill of the shooter out of the equation, fixed action, tunnel range type scenario. With a high quality centrefire BR rifle with suitable ammunition, the groups would be tiny - measuring little more than the calibre.

The reason for this almost unbelievable accuracy is that the ammunition has continued to evolve because individuals, such as Palmisano/Pindell and many others were never satisfied and search for better. They could do this because the centrefire cartridge is easy to modify in almost any way your imagination takes you.

Very few of these step changes are lead by the manufacturer, they are usually one step behind but are eventually forced to produce the "new hot calibre"

If the .22lr ammo/rifle was consistently producing, say .7 moa at 100yds fifty years ago with a factory target rifle, why are we not approaching any where near centrefire accuracy now with our superior barrels, actions and far more understanding of tuning and harmonics.

The weakest link in the chain is the ammunition - yes, it good, but why isn't it better?
Why isn't it consistent from lot to lot. If it was consistent and you found, after extensive testing that your particular rifle shot very well with, say Midas + that should be the job done, unfortunately, when you buy the next brick of Midas + it may not perform nearly so well and the testing starts again.
 
Quite simply, apples and oranges. A modern PPC is just that.....modern in every way.
Everything about .22 shooting revolves around that the round is essentially that which is fundementally entrenched in the late 19th century. It is amazing that we do as good as we do at the mercy of a lead slug dipped in mutton tallow, more or less.
Could we do better....of course, my good friend Billy Brawand was the guy rapidly developing handloaded 22 rimfire utilizing handmade jacketed benchrest bullets before all BR sanctionng organizations mandated mass produced lubed lead bullets. That, my friend, is the beauty of the challange IMHO.
 
Quite simply, apples and oranges. A modern PPC is just that.....modern in every way.
Everything about .22 shooting revolves around that the round is essentially that which is fundementally entrenched in the late 19th century. It is amazing that we do as good as we do at the mercy of a lead slug dipped in mutton tallow, more or less.
Could we do better....of course, my good friend Billy Brawand was the guy rapidly developing handloaded 22 rimfire utilizing handmade jacketed benchrest bullets before all BR sanctionng organizations mandated mass produced lubed lead bullets. That, my friend, is the beauty of the challange IMHO.

Then there needs to be encouragement to guys like Billy - let primed cases be freely available - I've not seen them around for some time - Have an "open" class and see if there just a little more to be tweaked from the humble .22lr - A sabot to get round the heeled bullet problem?
 
Tick people of??? Can't help it if you can't measure groups. I mean if they were close it would be one thing but you're good for about a 50% margin of error.
Oh.....the last one.....it's a mid .100".
Seems lot a lot of work to do all the math, make little notes so you can put up posts that are so painfully incorrect. Hey, knock yourself out.
Also, just curious, 25-30 yards?
 
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Wow, this has ran off the tracks. It's gone from a guy wanting to make his $175 hunting rifle more accurate to a pi$$ing match over groups that a $1200 rifle shoots.
 
And just for your info Tim the 9 ring is .300 on a USBR target. So I would say you are the one who needs to learn about measuring.

That's why, probably, we have the other two blacked out measurements, the first one, coincidently, much closer to what
I told you, go figure.
Kindly, explain to the class, how it's possible for two holes side by side to measure less than .100", or as we say in the real benchrest world....DUH.
 

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