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Accuracy nut, i don't mind doing the extra work!

Gunna be trying my hand at 6mmar 600 yard benchrest competiton. Would like to perform all the tedious work neccesary to achieve the best most accurate handloaded cartridge possible- regardless of if some steps are deemed questionable for actual proof of improving accuracy.

So..... Question 1-

If you were an accuracy nut that just bought a box of 6br lapua new unfired brass. What would be your first step done for reloading. Lets assume that whenever sorting brass-it'll be by case volume.
 
Check out case prep on this website by a champion.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/complete-precision-case-prep/
 
Ahha, thanks. Now- question 2...
As far as expanding necks first- i've read about bushings and something else dealing with bumping shoulders. Please enlighten me on what is neccesary.
 
White Feather said:
Ahha, thanks. Now- question 2...
As far as expanding necks first- i've read about bushings and something else dealing with bumping shoulders. Please enlighten me on what is neccesary.

I see where this is going.

Here you go.
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?board=2.0

Use the search function.
 
Hi White Feather (Barry) - welcome to the forum.

You are going the find that you won't get many replies to this particular thread, beyond what Erik has posted. All of the things you are asking about are well-known and well-covered, especially here... :-)

The forum has a great search function (near the top right) and if you really want to get slick, you can do something like this in Google:

site:forum.accurateshooter.com <search terms> (e.g. expanding necks or bumping shoulder)

Once you get through the piles of info you'll get from that, feel free to ask some more pointed questions that will probably generate some good responses for you. FWIW, the link that Webster provided goes over all of this stuff, step by step and there a ton more articles on case prep on the main site (www.accurateshooter.com).
 
Work???? Did you say work??? I always thought this was fun and play.....now I have to reevaluate everything again.........................lol

Welcome Barry....keep it fun.
 
K, i've done more investigating. But, there are still some things that confuse me. So 'll try to be more specific with my questions. The 6mm ar is a no go - so i'll be going the .223 wylde chambered route.


It's said to expand, trim, neck turn then uniform pockets/ debur inside flash hole.

Cases will be new lapua match brass .223. I've read that most say uniforming isn't neccesary on 6br primer pockets, but what about .223 lapua brass?

I've also noted a line from the reloading for acc. article that For 6BR cases using Lapua brass, we do not think it is necessary to uniform the primer pockets or ream the flash holes. In fact, most of the tools available for PPC/BR flash hole reaming will increase the flash hole diameter excessively. With Lapua 6BR brass, our tests have shown lower ES and SD with untouched flash holes. For other calibers and non-Lapua brass, uniforming primer pockets and flash holes may be beneficial.

Just being sure here- so i gather it that my .223 lapua brass is possibly benefitted by deburring and uniforming pockets, correct? I've orderd the k and m professional flash hole uniformer in .080 standard - is this correct for .223 lapua brass?
 
White Feather said:
K, i've done more investigating. But, there are still some things that confuse me. So 'll try to be more specific with my questions. The 6mm ar is a no go - so i'll be going the .223 wylde chambered route.


It's said to expand, trim, neck turn then uniform pockets/ debur inside flash hole.

Cases will be new lapua match brass .223. I've read that most say uniforming isn't neccesary on 6br primer pockets, but what about .223 lapua brass?

I've also noted a line from the reloading for acc. article that For 6BR cases using Lapua brass, we do not think it is necessary to uniform the primer pockets or ream the flash holes. In fact, most of the tools available for PPC/BR flash hole reaming will increase the flash hole diameter excessively. With Lapua 6BR brass, our tests have shown lower ES and SD with untouched flash holes. For other calibers and non-Lapua brass, uniforming primer pockets and flash holes may be beneficial.

Just being sure here- so i gather it that my .223 lapua brass is possibly benefitted by deburring and uniforming pockets, correct? I've orderd the k and m professional flash hole uniformer in .080 standard - is this correct for .223 lapua brass?

I believe that .080 is for large rifle primer flash hole uniforming/deburring. You want the small rifle flash hole tool for .223
 
What rifle are you reloading for? The reason that I ask is that the specifications and procedures for setting up dies can be different depending on what type of rifle you are using the ammunition for, olt actions being different than semiautomatics.
 
K and m has a .080 standard, ppc .062, 17 caliber and 20 caliber. Guess i'll have to callem monday and check on that. .080 just seems too big and i would think the 20 cal would be the one to go for. The .080 is the one the guy i spoke with said to get and i'm kinda second guessn his judgement. But i'm the one still learng here.

The rifles an AR semi auto.
 
I don't know your experience level for sure and I don't mean to offend you but this is my suggestion:

Buy a quality set of dies and some 1x lake city brass. Then size, trim, chamfer, deburr, and remove the crimp. Then buy some hornady or nosler bullets. Take all that extra time and money and SHOOT MORE. I have to believe at this point you will benefit more from putting extra rounds down range than having your flash holes uniformed.

I'm nowhere near the level of some, if not the majority, of shooters on this forum. I like to think I build quality ammo, but there's a reason I don't spend 40 to 50 cents per bullet. When I get to the point my Nosler and hornady bullets are holding me back I'll celebrate. Until then, I'll take the 40% savings and shoot that much more often.
 
Any possibility that if i said that i was rich, had all the time needed to do the most thorough handloading job and was a sniper in the military for 15 years( never done my own loading) that the responses to my thread would yield better content?
 
If you have good brass even thickness all around throughout the case, and the loaded ammo is very straight, has uniform neck tension, fits the chamber well (considering that semiauto ammo has to have a looser fit than that loaded for a bolt gun), it all comes down to other factors, that I see screwed up pretty uniformly by black rifle shooters. They are trying to evaluate loads without a set of flags, and have made poor to no provision for how the rifle is supported during testing. I take it that you want to produce the very best ammo that you can, for one or more of your ARs. In order to do that, you need to become familiar with how to detect small differences in accuracy, consistently. With a bolt rifle, this can be done much more easily, just from the ease of shooting. I take it that you do not currently have a way to look at brass thickness around the case, below the shoulder. Getting that capability would enhance your sorting ability, as would having some way to detect differences in bullet seating force. Beyond that, you need to be able to see differences in the bump produced at a given die setting, as well as neck diameter. Just because brass is the best obtainable, does not mean that it can be used as if each piece was identical to the other. Sorting is called for, and there are a lot more things that you can look at besides weight and volume. If you want to go the real rich boy route, and I have a friend who has, you have a state of the art, underground shooting tunnel built, and pick up the necessary equipment to test ammo, which would include a rail gun, with action bolts suitable to the various calibers that you will be testing, and barrels to match. That should keep you busy for a while. ;-) Good luck with your project. Let us know how it goes.
 
White Feather said:
Any possibility that if i said that i was rich, had all the time needed to do the most thorough handloading job and was a sniper in the military for 15 years( never done my own loading) that the responses to my thread would yield better content?

Maybe it's your attitude? Playing the victim won't get you far around here.

Your questions are too broad. You need to do research and read as much as you can. Your questions have been covered many times before. After you read and understand, you will have more questions. Do more research and reading at that point. If after you do all that you still have questions, we will be able to help you at that point because they will be specific questions.

No offense, but we've seen out share of guys like you here. They will start a thread and ask a question, then when we answer it, the will start another thread asking a follow up question, and so on.

Your questions are very basic, and I know we all started at the bottom, but my point is you can find out by simply using the search function.

I think if we all took that approach the content of this forum would be elevated by a considerable margin.

Feel free to PM me and I can help you along.

Good luck.
 

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