Erik Cortina
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400 rounds, I don't think so, but I've been known to be wrong before! ;D
6x47 vs 6bR?
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I agree with Erik and rsilvers about barrel life. The fastest I have ever burned out one of 11 barrels in .244 and 6mm Remington was 900 rounds. I do not load them lightly. In light bullet charges, I am burning close to 50 grains. So, it does not seem likely that a 6X47 would burn the barrel in 400 rounds. My guess would be 2000+.
This is so easy!! The 6br is the clear winner. I am not sold on the 6x47L even in the least. they can be a real pain in the neck to get them in tune. I think once in tune they are very effective, but tuning a rifle doesnt sound to me like thats something your really wanting to do. All rifles have a little tune work but the 6x47L in my experience has been a very difficult round to tune properly. Why? I really dont know, bu thats how it has been with the last two i have owned, and i hear other similar stories all the time. There is a ton of load info on the 6br and i definitely think it has some cool factor. I remember the first time i ever saw that little fat case, i was instantly in lust!! Every serious riflemen should own one, in my opinion. I will never own another 6x47L, but thats me! Go with the 6br and dont think twice about doing so!! Lee
The big question is why would a GOOD 6x47 barrel be cheep?? How heavy a bullet to you want to shoot? barrel twist is the big question.I feel that the 6br in a 1-14 twist say 60-70 gr bullets works well for out to 500yds for targets and groundhogs and other small game.I have never shot a deer with it but feel if i were to wack one within 200yds it would work.I think you would have the most fun with a 6br and with the light bullets they can unbelievably accurate. i get 3,500fps with a 65gr v-max and out to 500yds and i would say a bit beyond it can be devastating to small critters,dirt clumps,ect.I have allways wanted to build one in a heavy sporter with a 1-10 twist so i could shoot up to a 100gr bullet but i have never had the desire to shoot the 1-8 twist barrels for the 105 to 115 s.I just think you need more horsepower for the heavy bullets(thats just my opinion) but i know for sure if you choose the 6br you will not be unhappy.
82Boy, what you say about Bat actions not working well with 6x47 made my ears prick up. I have often thought that ignition was the problem with some 6x47s. Some people love them, while others have not had a good run. I wonder if the different firing pins/springs of different actions make a difference? Mine did not work in my barnard, it sometimes works in my panda (sometimes not). I know some actions/firing pins/springs dont like Russian primers, but others like mine do? maybe some experimentation is needed in this area? I have experimented with primers in the 6x47 and it needs the extra power of the CCI450, over the mild Russian primers to get a decent ES/SD. Could it be that it is the CCI 450 primers which are not working with some guns?
I would suggest 6br. I am so impressed with the little case. I would never thought that I could shoot 600 yards, but the 6br made that easy for me the first time I shot 600. I think it would be a good deer gun within 600 and under. If you decide to go with more speed, go with a dasher or brx. Brx would be a great choice due to useing the same dies as 6br. Something to think about.
I shoot @ Bridgeville De....100-600 yds...6mmbr..once they finish the 1000 yd range..a 6.5 x 47L for that..the 6mm br seems so easy to get a good load working..just a joy to work with..i heard the 6.5x47L is the same way....after making brass for a 6mm ppc for years. i know that i dodn't want to do that again..if i can't buy qualitity brass..then i'm not going to shoot it
At my club we have nearly 20 6BR rifles of different actions and barrels. Every single one of them is extremely accurate. Even the relatively inexpensive SSS barrels on Savage actions.......... We also have (6) 6X47L and 6.5x47L. All with Kreiger barrels with Nesika, BAT and Remington actions, and all chambered by the same folks that built most of the 6BR rifles.
There is simply no comparison....The 6BR rifles will easily outshoot the 6X47L and 6.5x47L..........
I can not tell you why, only that we have all abandoned anything but the 6BR for our 200yd and 300yd Egg Shoots........
Nuff said!....
There is simply no comparison....The 6BR rifles will easily outshoot the 6X47L and 6.5x47L..........
I can not tell you why, only that we have all abandoned anything but the 6BR for our 200yd and 300yd Egg Shoots........
Nuff said!....
From everything you have said, you sound like someone that needs a 6BR. The 6x47 isn't bad, but as others have already stated they are a pain to tune and many seem to be hit or miss accuracy wise. Not something you want for a general use plinking/hunting rifle. The 6BR is known for it's super easy tuning and pinpoint accuracy, which is right on track for your needs. So in my opinion, your search is over. 6BR is the way to go hands down.
Well first off, you have a bit of a dilemma you are going to need to address. That is whether you are going to shoot heavy bullets or light. If you go light, a 1-12 twist throated for short bullets is going to work best. Heavy, and you need a 1-8 with a longer throat for longer bullets. You can shoot light stuff in the 1-8, but you start to have issues with throat depth and getting shorter bullets near the lands. So as you can see, there is no free lunch. But where you state an intent to hunt larger game with it makes me suggest a 1-8 for the heavies. That way you have enough bullet to reliably take deer. But then you are stuck with either heavy bullets for plinking or a sub-par setup for the light stuff.
Optimally, two barrels in 6BR, one 1-8 and another 1-12 will work best. If you can only have one, you need to figure out what is most important to you and go from there.
I don't suggest anything lighter than 95 grains for use on deer sized game. The 6mm is marginal in my opinion and needs all the extra kinetic energy you can throw to work well. I say this from my own past experience, not hearsay.
Well first off, you have a bit of a dilemma you are going to need to address. That is whether you are going to shoot heavy bullets or light. If you go light, a 1-12 twist throated for short bullets is going to work best. Heavy, and you need a 1-8 with a longer throat for longer bullets. You can shoot light stuff in the 1-8, but you start to have issues with throat depth and getting shorter bullets near the lands. So as you can see, there is no free lunch. But where you state an intent to hunt larger game with it makes me suggest a 1-8 for the heavies. That way you have enough bullet to reliably take deer. But then you are stuck with either heavy bullets for plinking or a sub-par setup for the light stuff.
Optimally, two barrels in 6BR, one 1-8 and another 1-12 will work best. If you can only have one, you need to figure out what is most important to you and go from there.
I don't suggest anything lighter than 95 grains for use on deer sized game. The 6mm is marginal in my opinion and needs all the extra kinetic energy you can throw to work well. I say this from my own past experience, not hearsay.
I don't think a 6mm is marginal for deer, unless you're talking big bodied northern whitetails, in which case I don't think I would seriously be looking at a 6mm full stop. For the extra kinetic energy with the heavier bullets, however, I would lean towards the 6x47L. I have used a .243Win alot and when I re-barrel it I think I will try the 6x47LKenny474 said:
I hunt big bodied northern New England Whitetail, and they have been known to run off after solid .243 hits, in a few cases several. And not just mine, but several guys I know and also my father's friends have tried them over time as well. The 6mm's just don't stop'em like a 30cal.
After seeing a 190lb buck run off after taking 3 shots to the chest, and all decent hits from a Remington semi-auto, I gave up hope. ( 2 in the lungs and 1 in front shoulder, how it walked is a mystery to me) The deer was recovered, but after a lot of tracking. I then watched as that rifle got a baseball bat swing into a tree, several actually.
I was actually the last of everyone I know to try a .243 after the story above. I thought handloding heavy premium bullets would be the deal breaker. Not so I'm afraid. I had about the same result. Went back to my slug gun and my 30-06 and haven't had any issue since.
I am not knocking the 6mm's, just saying they are far from effective here. Others with smaller or lighter boned deer will probably fare better.
After seeing a 190lb buck run off after taking 3 shots to the chest, and all decent hits from a Remington semi-auto, I gave up hope. ( 2 in the lungs and 1 in front shoulder, how it walked is a mystery to me) The deer was recovered, but after a lot of tracking. I then watched as that rifle got a baseball bat swing into a tree, several actually.
I was actually the last of everyone I know to try a .243 after the story above. I thought handloding heavy premium bullets would be the deal breaker. Not so I'm afraid. I had about the same result. Went back to my slug gun and my 30-06 and haven't had any issue since.
I am not knocking the 6mm's, just saying they are far from effective here. Others with smaller or lighter boned deer will probably fare better.
I started out with a Dasher bbl. for my Nesika prone rifle, and liked it so much that I had another one built on a M70. Have had three more Dashers since, and all shot extremely well.
When the 6.5x47 brass became available, curiousity got the best of me, so I built myself one on a M700. This rifle (30" Bartlein .237" bore, 1:8tw. std. Palma in a McMillan A5 stock) is one of the most consistently accurate rigs I've ever had the pleasure to own & shoot. It's a hammer with everything from 65gr. FB HPs up to & including DTAC 115s, from 200 out to 1000yds. I liked it so much that I built two more 6x47s - another M700 in a Shehane Tracker and a BAT 3L in a Robertson H&H prone stock. All three have been good shooters, with not a lot of time spent developing loads. I use N150 with light bullets, and N160 with the heavies. R7-1/2 primers have worked well in every load I've used.
No question that the BR is a very capable round, but my experience with one (1:8 Krieger on a Pierce TG action in an Eliseo R5 tubegun) indicates that it's no more accurate or easy to tune than my Dashers or 6x47s. I built a 6.5x47 on another Pierce TG action in an Eliseo RTS tubegun about a year after building the R5, and it's proven as accurate & easy to load for as the R5 in 6BR.
Whatever you choose, just make sure Lapua brass is available for it, and you're going to have an excellent chance of winding up with a highly accurate rifle.
When the 6.5x47 brass became available, curiousity got the best of me, so I built myself one on a M700. This rifle (30" Bartlein .237" bore, 1:8tw. std. Palma in a McMillan A5 stock) is one of the most consistently accurate rigs I've ever had the pleasure to own & shoot. It's a hammer with everything from 65gr. FB HPs up to & including DTAC 115s, from 200 out to 1000yds. I liked it so much that I built two more 6x47s - another M700 in a Shehane Tracker and a BAT 3L in a Robertson H&H prone stock. All three have been good shooters, with not a lot of time spent developing loads. I use N150 with light bullets, and N160 with the heavies. R7-1/2 primers have worked well in every load I've used.
No question that the BR is a very capable round, but my experience with one (1:8 Krieger on a Pierce TG action in an Eliseo R5 tubegun) indicates that it's no more accurate or easy to tune than my Dashers or 6x47s. I built a 6.5x47 on another Pierce TG action in an Eliseo RTS tubegun about a year after building the R5, and it's proven as accurate & easy to load for as the R5 in 6BR.
Whatever you choose, just make sure Lapua brass is available for it, and you're going to have an excellent chance of winding up with a highly accurate rifle.
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