6ppc feeding in a rem 700

[skeetlee]

How well will a 6ppc feed in a remington 700 BDL box magazine? Will the ppc fit through the 223 type feed rails? Thanks Lee

 

[jonbearman]

Try it and see. You may have to go to a wider mag body and a follower for something wider,but I bet you can figure it out Lee.I am shooting a 7.62x 39mm through a .223 mag box in a savage long action,and it works and since the ppc is related to the Russian cartridge you may be ok.

 

[skeetlee]

Jon
I can certainly figure it ou once i have the items in my hands. I just dont want to play experiement on a hunting rig. I need a proven design. Lee

 

[STS]

The problem with trying to feed any short case through a 700 action is the distance from the feed rails to the barrel face is to long. As the case moves forward, the rails loose control of the case before its far enough into the chamber to stay aligned well enough to not jam. You hear of the modification for the BR case credited to Mike Bryant as the solution to the problem but it's still not a 100% workable situation in my experience. I came up with the same set-up for my .22 BR predator rifle and it simply was not reliable enough for me to be confident enough in to use. I got tired of fooling with it and rechambered it to .22x47 Lapua which feeds like butter. The .22x47 is .300 longer than the BR but that is enough to make it work. You can give the PPC case a try but I don't think it will feed reliably.

 

[CatShooter]

The problem with trying to feed any short case through a 700 action is the distance from the feed rails to the barrel face is to long. As the case moves forward, the rails loose control of the case before its far enough into the chamber to stay aligned well enough to not jam. You hear of the modification for the BR case credited to Mike Bryant as the solution to the problem but it's still not a 100% workable situation in my experience. I came up with the same set-up for my .22 BR predator rifle and it simply was not reliable enough for me to be confident enough in to use. I got tired of fooling with it and rechambered it to .22x47 Lapua which feeds like butter. The .22x47 is .300 longer than the BR but that is enough to make it work. You can give the PPC case a try but I don't think it will feed reliably.

The problem with this "theory" is that the 700 action feeds both the .221 Fireball, and the 17 Fireball just fine - and both are substantially shorter (both loaded and fired) than a 22BR.

I have owned both (and still own the .221) and they never had a feeding problem - although the first .221 FireBalls had ejection angle problems which were quickly addressed with a change in extractor/ejector angles.

 

[STS]

Well Skeet, there you have it from the authority on the subject. Build yourself a 6PPC on a 700 and then get back with us and tell us how it feeds. I'm sure CatShooter would gladly reimburse you what ever you spend on it if it doesn't feed. How bout it Cat, you good for it if it won't feed?

 

[CatShooter]

Well Skeet, there you have it from the authority on the subject. Build yourself a 6PPC on a 700 and then get back with us and tell us how it feeds. I'm sure CatShooter would gladly reimburse you what ever you spend on it if it doesn't feed. How bout it Cat, you good for it if it won't feed?

You are mistaking me for someone that cares about this project. If the work is doen right, it wil work, if it is done wrong, it might be a running ulcer.

But if your theory is right, then you need to contact Remington FAST, cuz they have been making thousands of rifles for 15 ~20 years, that aren't feeding cartridges because of your "theory".

Ain't it great to make up your own theories that don't fit the real world.

 

[Coleridge]

Not sure about the ppc but I have a 700 in 6BR with the bryant conversion. After glueing the spring in a specific spot (lot of trial & error); I'd say it's 100%. Only problem I have ever had is getting an empty case still in the action because it "bloops" the case out instead of throwing. Because of the ejector angle Cat spoke of...

I'm sure it can be done if you want to F with it long enough...

 

[STS]

Well Skeet, there you have it from the authority on the subject. Build yourself a 6PPC on a 700 and then get back with us and tell us how it feeds. I'm sure CatShooter would gladly reimburse you what ever you spend on it if it doesn't feed. How bout it Cat, you good for it if it won't feed?

You are mistaking me for someone that cares about this project. If the work is doen right, it wil work, if it is done wrong, it might be a running ulcer.

But if your theory is right, then you need to contact Remington FAST, cuz they have been making thousands of rifles for 15 ~20 years, that aren't feeding cartridges because of your "theory".

Ain't it great to make up your own theories that don't fit the real world.

There's a cop out if I've ever heard one. If you know how the work should be done then spell it out in detail for our friend Lee. After all we wouldn't want any mistakes made would we. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. Lee has a lathe and chamber reamers and the skill to use them at your direction. Tell him exactly how to set up a 700 Remington to feed a PPC perfectly. If it won't feed, I'm sure you would be man enough to admit you were wrong and reimburse him for the $$ he wasted. If you're so confident that it will work you're at no risk.

 

[CatShooter]

There's a cop out if I've ever heard one. If you know how the work should be done then spell it out in detail for our friend Lee. After all we wouldn't want any mistakes made would we. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. Lee has a lathe and chamber reamers and the skill to use them at your direction. Tell him exactly how to set up a 700 Remington to feed a PPC perfectly. If it won't feed, I'm sure you would be man enough to admit you were wrong and reimburse him for the $$ he wasted. If you're so confident that it will work you're at no risk.

This so silly it is beyond explaining.

There is nothing to do... if the .221 FireBall, and the .17 FireBall will feed, and they both are shorter and smaller in EVERY dimension... and many people have done 6mmPPC conversions without any problems, then Skeets will have no problem.

The fact that you fabricated your own "theory"" so you would sound like something that you are not - is not my responsibility.

Put on your big boy pants and own up to the fact that you told Skeets something that was not true, about something that you know nothing about, and get on with your empty life.

The 6mmPPC will feed as is, in a Remington 700 SA. It is just that simple. There is no secret technique. It is stupid simple.

Now, grow up.

 

[STS]

My Bullshooter BS detector is going off loud and clear right about now. Seems to me that you probably have never tried this yourself. Like I said before, put your money where your mouth is and guarantee Lee that the rifle will feed to perfection as you say it will. If you are as sure as you seem to be, it's a no loose situation for you. You won't have to cover the expenses of a failed project and you can be a internet hero. If I were you I be all over that challenge.

 

[BigDMT]

Ok, here's a better question than IF it will feed or not...

Why would a 6 PPC need to feed with 100% reliability in a hunting rifle anyhow? ??? It's not like he's gonna be hunting dangerous game with it and needs "controlled feed" reliability. Might bag a deer or a coyote, maybe some hogs occasionally. So who cares if it mis-feeds every once in a great while?

BTW, I'll bet a person could get it to feed easy enough. I've encountered MANY more challenging things with converting firearms than getting a silly little case to feed... Try getting a 6.5-300WSM to feed in a Ruger M77 originally designed for a 7mm Rem Mag cartridge. There's a lot more involved with that task I'm sure. Grinding under side of rails, grinding feed ramp down, grinding to re-form shape of follower, polishing it all out, cutting out magazine box to allow for the wider case, etc...It's a pain! But I've done it. So I'm sure the 6 PPC can be done too

 

[CatShooter]

My Bullshooter BS detector is going off loud and clear right about now. Seems to me that you probably have never tried this yourself. Like I said before, put your money where your mouth is and guarantee Lee that the rifle will feed to perfection as you say it will. If you are as sure as you seem to be, it's a no loose situation for you. You won't have to cover the expenses of a failed project and you can be a internet hero. If I were you I be all over that challenge.

You are in too deep, and you cannot save face.

I knew Skeetlee long before he ever posted on this site, and loaded his first benchrest cartridge, when he was first switching from skeet shooting to rifles... and he has no problems with my opinions or advice.

I have nothing to prove in this silliness, and the last thing I want to be is "... an internet hero".

I'll leave that to you.

As for BS detectors going off - go look in the mirror.

 

[NO-GO]

Hey, why all the fuss? Sako 75 6ppc, repeater, works great, shoots fantastic.

 

[STS]

I ran across the following quote by JLDavid in the gunsmithing section. It seems that it shines the harsh light of truth on the subject of this thread.

"After a long wait (about 2 years), I finally got my 22BRX finished. I have tried all the various fixes to get the BR based cases to feed. One 22BRX I had fed extremely well with the Bryant conversion. Another 6BRX fed so-so. A third attempt at a 22BRX was a disaster."

 

[CatShooter]

I ran across the following quote by JLDavid in the gunsmithing section. It seems that it shines the harsh light of truth on the subject of this thread.

"After a long wait (about 2 years), I finally got my 22BRX finished. I have tried all the various fixes to get the BR based cases to feed. One 22BRX I had fed extremely well with the Bryant conversion. Another 6BRX fed so-so. A third attempt at a 22BRX was a disaster."

I may have misread " ... the subject of this thread", but to the best of my remembrance, it is about the 6 PPC, NOT the 6MM BRX.

I realize that you probably have a hard time telling the difference between the two cartridges, since they both have a "6" in their name... but the 6-PPC has a smaller body, and a substantially shallower shoulder angle... it is not at all close to any of the "BR" family of cases.

You need to get your "harsh light" and do some homework - you are further embarrassing yourself by trying to save face on your original BS lie.

You know nothing about this stuff.

 

[BigDMT]

I've got the popcorn popping ;D

 

[STS]

Here's the response to the same question when asked over on BR Central.
Quote Originally Posted by skeetlee View Post
My question is this. Will a 6ppc feed from a bling magazine BDL type?
Nothing but problems. Put a solid follower in it and feed single shot. Keep digging big boy. You'll be speaking chinese before you know it.

 

[CatShooter]

Here's the response to the same question when asked over on BR Central.
Quote Originally Posted by skeetlee View Post
My question is this. Will a 6ppc feed from a bling magazine BDL type?
Nothing but problems. Put a solid follower in it and feed single shot. Keep digging big boy. You'll be speaking chinese before you know it.

Well.... it seems that not everyone is in agreement with your "theory", over on BR forum He even tells how it was made.

所以操你媽的混蛋。

 

[Eddie Harren]

STS, I told you so.