Here in NC, a buddy uses 95 gr Vmax's in a 6.5 x47 8 twist. The rifle is amazingly accurate and he has some longer range kills for this area ( 450 plus) . But it is to much gun. There is no degree of dead. My 222, 22-250, 6 PPC , 6 x45 and 6 BRs make them just as dead. He is hooked on absolute carnage, which is fine. I'd rather burn less powder.