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6mm creedmoor for 1000?

Own a tactical in 26" barrel, have a young shooter who used it quite well at 600, the beauty of it was , recoil was easy on her, and her mom :)

So, how would theoretically a 6mm creed do if I build them a rifle with a 30" barrel, will this caliber perform at 1000 yds for F open?
(I can reload 6 creed and have plenty of brass for it, it will keep it simple)

I also thought about a long barreled 6.5 creed, since I have brass, dies, and I can use some of my 142 smk, but not many people have ventured down the 6 and 6.5 long barrel rifle road it seems. Any info is appreciated.
 
fastarget said:
Own a tactical in 24" barrel, have a young shooter who used it quite well at 600, the beauty of it was , recoil was easy on her, and her mom :)

So, how would theoretically a 6mm creed do if I build them a rifle with a 30" barrel, will this caliber perform at 1000 yds for F open?
(I can reload 6 creed and have plenty of brass for it, it will keep it simple)

I also thought about a long barreled 6.5 creed, since I have brass, dies, and I can use some of my 142 smk, but not many people have ventured down the 6 and 6.5 long barrel rifle road it seems. Any info is appreciated.
Buy you a .237 bore 6mm barrel with 1-7.5 or 1-7.8 twist and shoot 105gr Berger Hybrids and "point" them for a added 5-7% more BC and you want regret it.... Be sure you have enough freebore to set the bullets out to stay above the shoulder/body junction.. GA Precision uses between a .170-.190 freebore with the .237 bore barrels to acheive low pressure and 3,140fps with 105gr bullets... If you will go over to JBM Calculator and run the numbers with a 5-7% increase added to BC using 3,140fps as your speed you will see how deadly this medicine is! Good luck Sir..
 
Thank you for the info, yes, a 30" barrel to add weight and help create the speeds, GA reamer was used on my tactical gun, I used to run it at that 3140-3180, but recently found another node lower. However I was not thinking of turning it over into Fopen

Pointing , I can do.
 
I shot a 6 Creedmoor in a few F class matches...26" HV contour 1-8" Bartlein, 105 Hybrid at 3125FPS. Did fairly well at the one match I shot it at 1000. Best target was a 197/200.
 
fastarget said:
is it worth going to a 30" barrel?
It maybe worth it on your Hornady brass.. Meaning you want have to push the case as hard and can run lower pressures.. If your going to be doing most shooting off the ground go for 30in...
 
Good point, should make some excellent velocities easier. time to go shopping for action and barrel. Thanks for the input
 
I get 3125fps, over a chrono, not guesstimating, from a 26' barrel. I am a big fan of longer barrels and the free velocity they allow. However if you look at the 6 dasher threads a bunch of those guys suggest 28". More velocity is not always the best philosophy. Some bullets have definite velocity windows where they are most accurate (nodes) and the upper windows will trash your brass. I have been shooting Hornady 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor brass for about 5 years now. I finally retired my first lot of 6.5 cases after 10+ reloads and I still haven't reached that point with my 6 brass after almost the same number of reloads. I think the guys complaining about Hornady brass may be trying for the razor's edge in velocity limits. The Hornady brass isn't as dimensionally good as Lapua or Norma but it isn't trash as some would say.
If I were going to build a dedicated 6 Creedmoor for F-class I would go 28"-30" with a 1.25" straight barrel, for the added weight, not so much for super duper high velocity. Try and get the 105 hybrid to around 3100-3130 and I think you'll be happy. My load is 41.5g H4350, Berger 105 Hybrid, 0.010" jump, Remington 9 1/2 primers ( I know....but my rifle loves em). That load isn't at the limit in my rifle- follow standard protocols and work up in your rig. I shoot 5-6 F-class matches a year and have managed to earn Master classification for both MR and LR. In F-class accuracy is more important than highest velocity you can reach.
 
Keith Kilby said:
I get 3125fps, over a chrono, not guesstimating, from a 26' barrel. I am a big fan of longer barrels and the free velocity they allow. However if you look at the 6 dasher threads a bunch of those guys suggest 28". More velocity is not always the best philosophy. Some bullets have definite velocity windows where they are most accurate (nodes) and the upper windows will trash your brass. I have been shooting Hornady 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor brass for about 5 years now. I finally retired my first lot of 6.5 cases after 10+ reloads and I still haven't reached that point with my 6 brass after almost the same number of reloads. I think the guys complaining about Hornady brass may be trying for the razor's edge in velocity limits. The Hornady brass isn't as dimensionally good as Lapua or Norma but it isn't trash as some would say.
If I were going to build a dedicated 6 Creedmoor for F-class I would go 28"-30" with a 1.25" straight barrel, for the added weight, not so much for super duper high velocity. Try and get the 105 hybrid to around 3100-3130 and I think you'll be happy. My load is 41.5g H4350, Berger 105 Hybrid, 0.010" jump, Remington 9 1/2 primers ( I know....but my rifle loves em). That load isn't at the limit in my rifle- follow standard protocols and work up in your rig. I shoot 5-6 F-class matches a year and have managed to earn Master classification for both MR and LR. In F-class accuracy is more important than highest velocity you can reach.

How long did it take you to reach Master?
 
Get a 6-6.5x47Lapua. The Creedmoor is not as accurate and expect to get 30+ reloads out of Lpaua brass thus making it cheeper to shoot the Lapua. No one competes with the creed because it is not as accurate as the Lapua for bench rest or Fclass. If you want to do it for fun then thats another thing.
 
I have a 6 mm creedmoor with a 30" barrel, I shoot 105 VLD (hunting) very fast, with a lot of H4350 into tiny little holes. I only use russian primer, they stay tight in the pockets. Internet folks are always putting down the hornady brass, I have no problem with it.
 
Jtate said:
I have a 6 mm creedmoor with a 30" barrel, I shoot 105 VLD (hunting) very fast, with a lot of H4350 into tiny little holes. I only use russian primer, they stay tight in the pockets. Internet folks are always putting down the hornady brass, I have no problem with it.

You are wright about the hornady brass. I have some if you drive to my house I will give it to you. not kidding you can have it..imo It is a shame..I loved the 6.5 creedmoore great cartridge. what the case is capable of if hornady delivered a quality piece of brass with a hard head is incredible. I made some from 308 Lapua and I had cases that had six firings on them with loads that the primer would fall out of on the first firing with hornady brass..I ask why ? Is hornady not capable of making a quality piece of match brass..Not just the creedmoore but I have had some hornady 22/250 brass that was just poor quality so bad they were a waste of money. Sorry for the rant but I feel it's a shame..yes they work fine if you shoot at 1920 velocity's . I also have two boxes of Winchester 6.5 creedmoor you can have. I really never tested them. I always wanted to try the Norma 6.5 creedmoore brass but could never find it. anyway I got rid of the rifle
not because of the brass, I just had too thin the heard.
 
Even Hornadys compedatived sponcored shooters do not shoot factory brass. They have special batches made just for them because the facotry stuff is well... crap.
 
Grimstod said:
Even Hornadys compedatived sponcored shooters do not shoot factory brass. They have special batches made just for them because the facotry stuff is well... crap.

Who makes the brass for them?
 
Hornady makes special runs for them at higher quality standards but normal customers cannot buy them.
 
fastarget,

If you want accurate round with low recoil. Look at the 6BR or 6BR IMP's. You are looking at better brass ( Lapua 6BR and 220 rus- PPC are the best made)and better accuracy. I shoot a 6BRX with a 8tw. It will run a 105 gr. Berger at 3100 f/s, but shoots it best at 2975 f/s. You don't need to run 3100 to shoot at 1000 yds. I went down this road with a 6CX looking for speed. I rechambered a 6BR to 6CX, I got the speed, but not the accuracy. I cut the barrel and rechambered to 6BRX, accuracy was back.
Now If you need the round to feed thru a mag, you will need a round like you are looking at. As far as a 6-6.5x47L I have many friends that went down this road with bad results like me. Some rounds do well as 6.5, but not so well necked down to 6mm. Take a hard look at a 6BR, 6BRX, or 6 Dasher.

Mark Schronce
 
ShootStraight22, are you sure that you can improve Berger hybrid 105's BC by 7% with pointing? That is an impressive improvement and I'll add it to my routine if it is so. I am not being facietious,just inquiring.Thanks Tom.
 
I get 3125fps, over a chrono, not guesstimating, from a 26' barrel. I am a big fan of longer barrels and the free velocity they allow. However if you look at the 6 dasher threads a bunch of those guys suggest 28". More velocity is not always the best philosophy. Some bullets have definite velocity windows where they are most accurate (nodes) and the upper windows will trash your brass. I have been shooting Hornady 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor brass for about 5 years now. I finally retired my first lot of 6.5 cases after 10+ reloads and I still haven't reached that point with my 6 brass after almost the same number of reloads. I think the guys complaining about Hornady brass may be trying for the razor's edge in velocity limits. The Hornady brass isn't as dimensionally good as Lapua or Norma but it isn't trash as some would say.
If I were going to build a dedicated 6 Creedmoor for F-class I would go 28"-30" with a 1.25" straight barrel, for the added weight, not so much for super duper high velocity. Try and get the 105 hybrid to around 3100-3130 and I think you'll be happy. My load is 41.5g H4350, Berger 105 Hybrid, 0.010" jump, Remington 9 1/2 primers ( I know....but my rifle loves em). That load isn't at the limit in my rifle- follow standard protocols and work up in your rig. I shoot 5-6 F-class matches a year and have managed to earn Master classification for both MR and LR. In F-class accuracy is more important than highest velocity you can reach.
Thank you very much Keith for the input. I have a new project build with a CZ550 and Krieger 24" threaded for sinlencerco suppressor. It should be a good varmint rifle out to 1000yards. I am somewhat surprised you don't try the heavier 140 Berger hybrid for wind. Hope to have the new rifle soon to compare to my Shilen in 308Win.
 
Thank you very much Keith for the input. I have a new project build with a CZ550 and Krieger 24" threaded for sinlencerco suppressor. It should be a good varmint rifle out to 1000yards. I am somewhat surprised you don't try the heavier 140 Berger hybrid for wind. Hope to have the new rifle soon to compare to my Shilen in 308Win.

I think there is some confusion. The discussion is centered around the 6mm wildcat version of the creedmore. The 105 grain hybrid is the heaviest one made in a .243 diameter.

I agree that the 140 grain .264 hybrid has a great BC.
 

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