6mm bullet comparison

[dantiff2]

I am curious. Has anyone tried both the Sierra 107 HPBT and the Berger 105 hunting VLD and had good success with both? I have exclusively shot the VLD in 6mm and nothing else. I don't see the bullet coefficient being that much different between the two for me to justify the extra $8 a box for the Bergers. I have never had any issue with load development on the VLD bullet. I would also hope to have the same success with the Matchking. I shoot Matchkings in 30 cal and can't complain at all with the quality. I expect the Bergers to be held to a little more tolerance but I don't know why I do. Just wondering if anyone noticed a difference in load workup or one being harder to load than the other..

Thanks

Dan

 

[JEFFPPC]

I shoot a 6BRX and have always had my best luck with Serria 107 and EPS 106. The EPS are a hand made, 1 at a time bullet that as far as weight and measurement are much more consistant than either the Serria's or Burgers. The EPS also has a higer B.C. Although the EPS are a bit more costly than the Serrias, to me they are worth it. It is much quicker to load consistant ammo with the EPS bullets. I have used both the EPS and Serria from 100 to 1000yds with good success.

 

[Lapua40X]

I'm a big fan of the Berger bullets in my larger caliber rifles but I've had such good success with the 107 gr Sierra HPBT in my 6BR that I find no reason to apply the Bergers to that rifle. The Sierras shoot so tight that I can't imagine any bullet performing better than what I'm seeing on target with them.

 

[dantiff2]

I'm a big fan of the Berger bullets in my larger caliber rifles but I've had such good success with the 107 gr Sierra HPBT in my 6BR that I find no reason to apply the Bergers to that rifle. The Sierras shoot so tight that I can't imagine any bullet performing better than what I'm seeing on target with them.

That's what I'm wondering. If I can get at least as good of accuracy out of the Sierras, I can save money and buy more. My ballistic charts show a two inch drift and six inch drop difference at 1000. This is fine with me

 

[dcali]

Sierra 107's are capable of shooting legitimate "all day long" 1/2 MOA groups in a good rifle. I know because I shot them in F class for two years and did a lot of testing with them. Bergers (which supposedly have slightly more concentric jacket tolerances) might be a little more capable, but I wasn't willing to fork over the cash to find out since the Sierras were doing the job I needed them to do. At long range, knocking hte group size from 1/2 MOA to .4 MOA isn't going to do much at the target.

Ballistically, the Bergers seem to have a slight edge. You can see that difference with a ballistics calculator and decide if the cost is worth it.

 

[comagutsa]

wow in Australia a box of 6mm sierra 107gr are about $65 for 100 and you can get berger 105gr hybrids or hunting vld for about $44 for a 100.. hence why i don't shot the sierra 107gr
i tried both and both hold their own with not much difference between them but because of the price i use bergers

 

[dantiff2]

wow in Australia a box of 6mm sierra 107gr are about $65 for 100 and you can get berger 105gr hybrids or hunting vld for about $44 for a 100.. hence why i don't shot the sierra 107gr
i tried both and both hold their own with not much difference between them but because of the price i use bergers

$65/100 !! WOW !

 

[Bryan Litz Ballistics]

Here's some good data on what the Precision Rifle Series shooters are using. Many of them are running 6mm's and this article breaks down their bullet selection among the top 50 shooters:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/12/11/reloading-components/

I would say the above data is purely performance driven, with little regard to price. No doubt price matters to many, and if you can meet your goals with a less expensive option then that's good.

-Bryan

 

[dantiff2]

Bryan, You are 100% correct. I doubt if any of the guys/ gals in that piece have any regard to price. For several years I had been the same way. Look to the guys that are winning and duplicate their setup. That worked great! Probably saved me a bunch of time and wasted money trying to figure things out. Now, I need to be budget minded to continue to shoot. I still have an accuracy level that I will demand and that will determine where I can save a few bucks or even " if " I can.


Has anyone had any success with the the Nosler Custom Competition in 105/ 107 grain? I don't see where anyone is running them and that is a red flag to me.

Dan

 

[comagutsa]

Has anyone had any success with the the Nosler Custom Competition in 105/ 107 grain? I don't see where anyone is running them and that is a red flag to me.

Dan

i have a mate who tried to run the 105gr ones in his 6mm and couldnt get them to work at all and gave up

 

[dantiff2]

Has anyone had any success with the the Nosler Custom Competition in 105/ 107 grain? I don't see where anyone is running them and that is a red flag to me.

Dan

i have a mate who tried to run the 105gr ones in his 6mm and couldnt get them to work at all and gave up

Did he have any trouble with any other brand as a comparison? I'm very curious at the longer range of their performance. I will be shooting at 1000 yards. I'm even sceptical of the Sierra's at that distance. I think any slight variation in jacket or boat-tail will show up at distance. I need the same level of performance that I see with the Berger. Maybe it can't be done for less money or a cheaper bullet...
Dan

 

[comagutsa]

yeah he tried my berger 105gr hunting vlds with great success but he is a tight ass and wanted to try something cheaper, so he brought some of the noslers to try coz they were cheap as but he couldn't get them to group that well, but hes now going to try the 105gr hornady Amaxs cos he can get them cheaper than bergers haha
he is shooting these at 500m/547y for our fly shoots
i will let you know what he thinks of them

but i have tried the sierra, Amaxs and bergers hunting vlds and their hybrids all at 500m and the berger are the best, not much between the vlds (best groups were 1.9inch at 500m from my 243 and 6BR) and hybrids (only just changed to the hybrids in my 6BR and have scored 2x 1.8 inch groups so far and i still haven't finished my load testing)
hoping to try out at 1000y soon once the new range has been built

might be best to buy a packet of each and try them and see what you think .. really its the only way to see if you will be happier enough with them and if you dont like them you only brought 1 packet but least you will know what you like

 

[dantiff2]

It's really only of lately that I have also become a tight ***. I just started second guessing myself. Wondering, Do I really need to be paying almost 40$ for bullets when there are other options in the 25-30$ range. This is something that I intend on pursuing. I will most likely purchase a box of other brands and give them an honest try. The problem I have is, I feel that I started at the top of the ladder with components. The bar has been set high. I will have to see if it can be matched.

I'm not seeing a very high usage of MatchKings, A-Max's or Custom Competitions though.

 

[comagutsa]

It's really only of lately that I have also become a tight ***. I just started second guessing myself. Wondering, Do I really need to be paying almost 40$ for bullets when there are other options in the 25-30$ range. This is something that I intend on pursuing. I will most likely purchase a box of other brands and give them an honest try. The problem I have is, I feel that I started at the top of the ladder with components. The bar has been set high. I will have to see if it can be matched.

I'm not seeing a very high usage of MatchKings, A-Max's or Custom Competitions though.

haha i hear you on the bar set high lol . yeah like you also i don't to many people using the MK, Amax, nos etc , the only other one i see is the lapua ones but they are really expensive here
ive still got the left over boxes of MK and Amaxs, been sitting in my shed for a few years now haha just cant be bothered trying them again in my 6BR

 

[dmoran]

ive still got the left over boxes of MK and Amaxs, been sitting in my shed for a few years now haha just cant be bothered trying them again in my 6BR

Bare in mind, both the 107-SMK and the 105-AMax have undergone changes in resent years.
The 107-SMK's now come pointed and tighter quality control.
The 105-AMax are now made with a entirely different jacket (AMP jacket).
With that all said, do not expect equal performances from the "older to the newer" from either brand.
My 2-Cents
Donovan

 

[dantiff2]

ive still got the left over boxes of MK and Amaxs, been sitting in my shed for a few years now haha just cant be bothered trying them again in my 6BR

Bare in mind, both the 107-SMK and the 105-AMax have undergone changes in resent years.
The 107-SMK's now come pointed and tighter quality control.
The 105-AMax are now made with a entirely different jacket (AMP jacket).
With that all said, do not expect equal performances from the "older to the newer" from either brand.
My 2-Cents
Donovan

Donovan, That's good info to know. How long ago did the Matchkings make the changes? Are you still seeing the older production out in the market or is it relatively safe to purchase from large suppliers and not be concerned with getting mixed batches?

 

[XTR]

... I had been the same way. Look to the guys that are winning and duplicate their setup....

There is much of this in any competitive endeavor, but I've never seen it as strongly as in shooting.

I'm pretty sure that if Derek Rodgers was seen putting peanut butter on his bolt before a match I could make serious $$ selling Skippy, unless someone saw that it was Jiff, in which case I'd be making a lot of sandwiches.

 

[Heman]

I run Nosler 105's, 107's, Hornady 105's in my .243 for mid-range. 45gr N160 moly coated and I'm pushing them close to 3,300fps. They all shoot where I want them to go. For Long Range it is the 105gr Hybrid same charge. All of them jumping 0.020" I think. Don't know the ES or SDs, just know as along as I have good position and read the wind I can clean the target.

 

[Down South]

... I had been the same way. Look to the guys that are winning and duplicate their setup....

There is much of this in any competitive endeavor, but I've never seen it as strongly as in shooting.

I'm pretty sure that if Derek Rodgers was seen putting peanut butter on his bolt before a match I could make serious $$ selling Skippy, unless someone saw that it was Jiff, in which case I'd be making a lot of sandwiches.

;D