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6mm ARC vs 6x45

Mind if i ask if your 6mm ARC experience has been with a gas, or bolt action rifle?
I use a 16" gas gun. As I said it is very good at what it was designed for. I use it for CQB and as a truck/horse rifle, medium game at 200 yards. In that role it's really good.

If you don't have any other 6MM rifles it's not a bad choice in a bolt rifle, a bit slower than a max loaded 243 Winchester but uses only about 30 grains of powder and in theory should have long barrel life.

You're not going to compete with the 6MM Remington for varmints but the Remington gets about 2,000 rounds per barrel.
 
Im using a 9 twist. I did not think it would stabilize the 75gr vmax. A 9 inch group is bad, but changed powders and went to a 3/4 inch group. Have not gone heavier that 75gr
A 9” will shoot anything up to the longer 95’s like the 95SMK or Berger’s or short 100 hunting type bullets. 8” will do most anything up to about 108gr at 6x45 speeds.
 
7.5 twist in 6x45. I shoot 107 SMKs (or 105 Lapuas) out of a 24" HBAR. Won't get them up to bolt gun speeds but I can reach 2650 if I don't care about my primer pockets.
 
7.5 twist in 6x45. I shoot 107 SMKs (or 105 Lapuas) out of a 24" HBAR. Won't get them up to bolt gun speeds but I can reach 2650 if I don't care about my primer pockets.
Why did you go with the 7.5 twist? Just to be able to shoot the heavies? How did it shoot the 70-90 gr bullets or have you tried them? This is an interesting round to me..
 
Why did you go with the 7.5 twist? Just to be able to shoot the heavies? How did it shoot the 70-90 gr bullets or have you tried them? This is an interesting round to me..
I shoot high-power competition at 200 (70 SMK), 300 (70 SMK or 90 Berger), and 600 (90 Berger or 105 Lapua or 107 SMK) yds. Was looking for an easy button just a notch up from .223 (out of an AR). Didn't want to have to cycle a bolt (yet) in rapids. Those 70s I can get over 3100 fps MV and group tight, without over-pressure. The 90 Bergers are a little more tricky, I have to really compress the powder to get 2700 fps MV. Best powder (that I have on hand) for 70, 90 is H4895. 105/107s like Varget. 1:7.5 Green Mountain barrel/upper by Keystone Accuracy.
 
I just did a barrel swap on a ruger predator from. 223 to 6x45 for a pal, 20" , 1/9 " tw. Short bbl as its a coyote rig.
How is the accuracy or have you shot it yet? I want one bad but right now I’m saving my pennies for a NF scope.
 
To be fair, copper bullets like the 55gr Hammer are longer than lead bullets of the same weight, a 55gr copper is roughly the length of a 70gr lead bullet.

How come nobody ever talks about using 55gr NBT or 58gr Vmax in 6mm ARC? Maybe there's a reason?
I use them both in a 1-8 twist barrel. Plenty accurate and good velocities.
 
Interested to see this older thread resurface .

I have a Tikka 6x45 bolt action 22 inch with a 1-8 twist barrel and have a Howa 6mmARC varmint 20inch barrel coming in the next few days hopefully.

If the ARC can’t better my 6x45 by at least 150fps then I can’t see myself hanging onto the ARC for very long .

My 6x45 load uses H4895 powder and throws a Sierra 85gr hpbt at 2865 fps .
So the ARC has to get a minimum of 3000fps with the same projectile ( the 85gr Sierra is a fantastic bullet and I have no need or desire to go up or down in bullet weight for my purposes ) to give a reasonable increase in performance and make it easier to put up with the hassles of availability of brass etc in my uneducated view .
Also my 6x45 is the most accurate Rifle I own , so there’s another hurdle that the Howa 6mmARC has to overcome to be seriously considered as a keeper .
 
Interested to see this older thread resurface .

I have a Tikka 6x45 bolt action 22 inch with a 1-8 twist barrel and have a Howa 6mmARC varmint 20inch barrel coming in the next few days hopefully.

If the ARC can’t better my 6x45 by at least 150fps then I can’t see myself hanging onto the ARC for very long .

My 6x45 load uses H4895 powder and throws a Sierra 85gr hpbt at 2865 fps .
So the ARC has to get a minimum of 3000fps with the same projectile ( the 85gr Sierra is a fantastic bullet and I have no need or desire to go up or down in bullet weight for my purposes ) to give a reasonable increase in performance and make it easier to put up with the hassles of availability of brass etc in my uneducated view .
Also my 6x45 is the most accurate Rifle I own , so there’s another hurdle that the Howa 6mmARC has to overcome to be seriously considered as a keeper .
Have you used any powder besides H4895 ? I am using H335 and don’t want to use my H4895 as I use it in my FTR Rifle. I have not seen any H4895 available in quite a while. I have been going back and forth with Sierra 85 gr HP and Speer BTSP 85 gr.
 
Bit of an update. I added a 6mm ARC to the stable and like it a lot. Surprisingly I expected the throat to be too long for 75 grain bullets but the 75gr Speer Flat-base HP fits perfect and is quite accurate to as far as I plan to shoot coyotes. I still love my 6x45 and have no plans to to change it as it is mild and kills coyotes just fine. The 6x45 is set up with a 1.5-6x40 scope and 58gr bullets, the 6mm ARC wears a 2-12x40ish and 75gr bullets.

I did know about the 6mm-204 relation to the 222 Rem Mag but chose to use 6x45AI + (for performance simplication) instead of writing another paragraph explaining 6mm-204, 6x47AI,.6mm-222 Rem Mag AI, 6x47L relationships.
 
Have you used any powder besides H4895 ? I am using H335 and don’t want to use my H4895 as I use it in my FTR Rifle. I have not seen any H4895 available in quite a while. I have been going back and forth with Sierra 85 gr HP and Speer BTSP 85 gr.
I’ve only ever used H4895 , and luckily I have a decent amount of it stored away .
I’m sure there are powders that would give a performance boost to the 6x45 , but none of them are as temp stable as H4895 .
 
Instead of starting a new Thread about my 6x45 vs 6mmARC journey I thought I’d just post some things up here .

I own a 6x45 built on a Tikka action and it performs beautifully for it’s intended role of Varminter/small Pig Rifle using Sierra 85gr hpbt at 2865fps with H4895 powder .
The 6mm ARC interests me though because maybe it could be a 6x45 on steroids which would only be a good thing .

So I thought I’d just give some initial thoughts on the Howa 6mm ARC 20 inch Varmint barrel rifle I recently acquired.

This is my first Howa Mini , but have owned a number of the SA Howa 1500’s over the years .

I really like the compact action size of the Mini and that combined with the 20 inch barrel makes for a very short handy dimensioned Rifle , which is ideal for the Pickup and SxS .

The varmint barrel isn’t very big in diameter compared to other varmint barrels that I’ve seen and owned . I’d rate it as a heavy standard size which isn’t a bad thing in my view because you get a little more meat in the barrel without it weighing a ton .

The action is typical new Howa and is far from smooth , but I’m sure it will smooth out as time goes by , just like all my other ones have .

I installed a metal aftermarket hinged floorplate magazine instead of the factory plastic box mag and feeding has so far been flawless for the first couple of boxes of factory ammo ( more on that later )

I have only shot the Factory 108gr ammo and I don’t know if it’s the Rifle or the Ammo but a number of times I’ve experienced a heavy bolt lift . The primers don’t look to bad and there are no extractor marks on the case head , but if I had experience that heavy bolt lift with my handloads I would have been backing of the powder charge a bit .
Initially I thought it might have had something to do with the hot temperature that I was shooting in yesterday ( don’t know how hot , but it was “ Hot “ ) but I experienced a few heavy bolt lifts again this morning in the nice cool temperature at 6:00am .
The accuracy however is very good for a cheap brand new rifle with factory ammo .
So far I’ve shot 15 x 3 shot groups ( 3 shot groups because the mag holds that many and the barrel was heating up big time in the hot conditions , I’m in Australia and it’s our summer ) and the average for those 10 groups is 21.8mm at 100m .
So the rifle straight out of box is shooting a fraction over 3/4 moa with factory ammo and that makes me happy because there’s a good chance I will be able to better that with handloads .

Before I shot the rifle I obviously cleaned the barrel and I noticed that it didn’t feel very smooth while running some patches down the tube . Maybe I’m spoilt with some of my other rifles , but it was noticeably rough and catchy .
I shot 5 rounds to get it on paper and then cleaned it with Bore Tech Carbon and Copper cleaners and used a nylon brush and patches.
The barrel was really fouled for just 5 shots and took some cleaning to get it sorted.
I shot 15 more rounds and cleaned again. Same deal it was very fouled and took some serious elbow grease to get it clean .
Another 15 rounds , same thing again but maybe not quite as bad .
I think the rifling and bore of this barrel are rough and not of great quality, but it’s a cheap rifle and it looks like it will shoot , so I’m not complaining.

Im not going to chronograph any shots just yet , because of the rough barrel I have a feeling that it will speed up anyway as it smooths out a bit after having a decent amount of bullets down the tube .

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Now a bit of an update on the heavy bolt lift .
I can eliminate pressure from the equation because I spent some time dry firing the rifle and maybe 1 in 5 times lifting the bolt to recock the action was a hard/heavy lift .
I disassembled the bolt and gave it a good clean with brake cleaner ( it was covered in a layer of some kind ) then very lightly oiled everything with an oily rag .
A visual inspection of the lugs etc isn’t showing anything out of the ordinary and after the bolt clean I think it is a bit better , not fixed entirely, but better .
So I’ll just keep an eye on things and see if it smooths out over time .

I’ve shot 3 boxes of the Factory 108’s through the Rifle now and will start to reload those 60 cases ( keeping the final box as a control group , with its known performance from the first 60 rounds )
After establishing the distance to the lands I have made up 3 Dummy rounds using the 3 different projectiles that I want to try first , each one seated to put the projectile 20thou off the lands .
Originally I thought I’d use the 90gr TGK Sierra , but as you can see from the photo the 90gr TGK has to be seated a long way into the case which really takes up case capacity .
This 6mm ARC has to produce velocities that exceed my 6x45 by a decent margin to make me want to keep it . So running it as “ Hot “ as I can is a major factor for me .
I will be loading a batch of each projectile to ascertain which combo gives the best accuracy/velocity results .
I just thought it was interesting to see the differences of how far each projectile protrudes into the case when seated 20thou off .

From left to right

90gr Sierra TGK - 87gr Hornady hpbt - 85gr Sierra hpbt

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I’ll keep posting updates as I go and chronograph the velocities after I’ve got at least another 40-50 rounds down the barrel .

Ken
 

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