6CM Case separation new brass (near fatal).

[searcher]

Having an attorney chase down "people who can be found at fault" is a real problem in our society. Just about everything we buy is markedly higher in cost due the "somebody owes me" thought process which has become entrenched in our culture this past 50 or so years. Shooting is not the safest sport in town and reloading adds spice to the mix. If one is not willing to accept the risks - they shouldn't do it. I drive every day, knowing I can get killed by a drunk driver with no insurance. I buy my own insurance to protect my family - but I have to accept that I can die. It is an inherent risk. I'm guessing Medicare paid your medical bills so anything else is of a punitive nature unless you had to miss work. Do you think they were trying to kill or harm you? I say get over it and count your blessings you are alive. I was an insurance broker for decades before retiring, and a number of my clients were the local gun shops who also did gunsmithing. There were like two insurance companies in the whole country who would write policies for them. That was it. Attorneys don't like to go to court. They settle with as many defendants as they can point a suspicious finger at. Basically, everybody pays just to not have to go to court. That might include the gunsmith, bullet manufacturer, powder company, primer manufacturer, barrel manufacturer, etc.. There is seldom any justice whatsoever - just a lot of people paying an attorney, who usually takes 25% to 50% of what he can get, and an injured person who took money from a lot of completely innocent folks in the process. Sorry - but anytime I hear attorney before knowing the cause with certainty......

 

[Macropod]

Is that a Tikka T3 bolt?

 

[carlsbad]

Late to the thread. Glad you're recovering but I am very sorry for all your pain and injury.

Looking at the damage to the bolt, I'd say 100,000 psi pressure may be light. I don't think the recalled powder could have created such pressure. Do you have any other rounds you loaded that day still laying around? that would be telling if you used the wrong powder.

The other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is that the barrel was plugged.

I've done a lot of root cause analysis over the years and it is not uncommon to find what looks like a cause, only to realize it couldn't have caused the results.

Good luck,
Jerry

 

[Tokay444]

That question has been asked a few times now. I don’t recall seeing an answer ever.

 

[grovey]

Get well soon.

 

[tomswede]

A few years ago I had an over pressure incident that scared my.
Caliber was 6XC and the powder A4350 from the recalled batch. Had loaded a fairly mild load. Fired the first round with no pressure signs at all. The second felt like a bit of delay/hangfire. The bolt would not open. Once I had used a mallet to open the bolt I found the case head completely flowed out to fill the bolt face. Fortunately it was a Remington bolt, think that saved me. Had to Demel the case out of the bolt hard. Looked for the root cause everywhere could not find it. Scrapped the barrel, changed all the components. At the time I did not suspect the powder ( it looked and smelled normal). Later the powder was recalled, made me suspicious. This adds to that suspicion.

 

[Ggmac]

To everyone how has contributed to my thread, I greatly appreciate your inputs. I take no offense to what anyone has said. In the beginning I wanted someone to take responsibility and I did not care who, including me. But as time went on it became clear the answer may not ever know. Financially I can't afford to go any further. Last Sat I was up late still searching for an answer. I decided enough is enough I have become obsessed and this accident has consumed me. I am done it is over and I need to get this jmonkey off my back. I'm very pleased that some of you have benefited from this thread. I have contacted the manufacture of the brass explained the situation and I wanted to provide them with the failed brass. What ever I can do to improve safety of their product. Real positive conversation. I feel great!
With that said thanks again to everyone. Review your reloading procedures, check for outdate powder,
be safe.

Dave

How long have the cases been loaded , heres why I ask . Deteriorating powder releases some fumes that can really harm ( destroy) the brass . Ive seen it happen actually made it happen in a controlled test . It eroded , the interior of the new brass case within 2 weeks , bullets were almost welded to the cases . Actually glued would be better word to describe what happened .
either way , 2 things were apparent , one the increase in pressures needed to free the now glued deformed base of the bullet through the neck and two , the fragile , brittle case , now cant hold the pressure it once was designed to do .
Glad your alive , I have witnessed a near fatal rifle explosion a few benches away , Ill never forget . I can imagine that happening

 

[Tokay444]

OP doesn’t answer questions. He’s only here for answers.

 

[Mad_Charlie]

OP has let it go, we should too.

 

[Tokay444]

When the discussion shifted from finding fault in the powder, to finding potential fault in the OP’s loading process, the OP let it go, yes.

 

[tomswede]

When the discussion shifted from finding fault in the powder, to finding potential fault in the OP’s loading process, the OP let it go, yes.

My experience does indicate the powder. To prove that is almost impossible especially in OP’s situation

 

[Tokay444]

If he had other rounds, loaded the same, which he hasn’t answered, it should be pretty easy to prove.
But again, he’s gone. Thread should be locked.

 

[tomswede]

If he had other rounds, loaded the same, which he hasn’t answered, it should be pretty easy to prove.
But again, he’s gone. Thread should be locked.

How would you do that? Since I could not find the root cause I changed everything. Not sure how one would test the powder.

 

[ImBIllT]

Interesting thread

It’s a real shame another rifle wasn’t chambered for 6CM and loaded with an identical round from the same batch of components, and/or another loaded case that had been intended to be shot that day pulled down for examination.

The picture of the case really has me considering excessive protrusion.

The fact that the OP never answered about his loading practices, what else he loads for, and if he had loaded more than one round that day, and then dropped the issue also makes me wonder...maybe he found the answer, maybe not. IF someone else ever experiences such a thing, by no means should you risk losing the rest of your loaded ammo.

For a first outing with a new rifle, I will normally load at the range, one shot at a time, so it’s certainly conceivable to me that the OP has no other ammo that was going to be shot that day.

 

[Tokay444]

How would you do that? Since I could not find the root cause I changed everything. Not sure how one would test the powder.

Open one of the other rounds. Assure that the charge weight is in fact below max. Put round back together. Attempt destructive test.

 

[tomswede]

Open one of the other rounds. Assure that the charge weight is in fact below max. Put round back together. Attempt destructive test.

That is the issue, one sure would not want to build another rifle to try the loads in, possibly blowing it up. I broke apart all my remaining rounds, took the barrel off and started over.

 

[Tokay444]

Rem700 actions are cheap and plentiful. Used 6Creed barrels are cheap and plentiful.
If it results in a definitive conclusion, it’s worth whatever the expense is.

 

[jk80]

Rem700 actions are cheap and plentiful. Used 6Creed barrels are cheap and plentiful.
If it results in a definitive conclusion, it’s worth whatever the expense is.

Are you really suggesting trying to duplicate a near fatal accident?? One thing I haven't seen till now on this site was someone throwing rocks at someone asking for help. That's what I admired about this site. Now I read someone suggesting to replicate conditions that darn near proved fatal to the person and you want him to take another try at it. Unbelievable!

 

[Tokay444]

Are you really suggesting trying to duplicate a near fatal accident?? One thing I haven't seen till now on this site was someone throwing rocks at someone asking for help. That's what I admired about this site. Now I read someone suggesting to replicate conditions that darn near proved fatal to the person and you want him to take another try at it. Unbelievable!

The mind believes what it wants to believe, but not once did I say he should put his face on the gun.
I suggested a destructive test. Would you put your face on a gun you were expecting to be destroyed? Smarten up.

 

[wbm]

OP was on today.