6BRA or 6 Creed??

[Taylor Stratton]

I currently have a 6 creedmoor and have been shooting the Hornady 108 with good success. We shoot milk jugs and as we have improved we now typically shoot only 800-1500 yards most of the time. My barrel is burned out and I’m thinking About changing calibers. I know the 6 creedmoor has nothing on the 6BR and variants for accuracy for out to around 1000 but if most of my shooting is going to be 8-1500 and maybe trying a mile I’m having a hard time wanting to give up the little bit of velocity advantage of the creedmoor to go with the “inherently” more accurate BRA. What are your guys thought or suggestions? Any other “better” suggestions?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Stick with what you already use. Shooting milk jugs you wont be gaining anything

 

[JamesnTN]

Or just step up to the 6.5 creed gain more barrel life

 

[Falfan2017]

6 XC perhaps. But like Dusty said if you’re just lobbing em in there at long range it’s not really gonna matter.

 

[Ranger188]

How many rounds do you shoot thru the 6 creed?
If not too many then stick with it. It's an accurate round, and if all your doing is
plinking and hitting milk jugs, stick with it. You already have the knowledge and
reloading components for it. Going to another round is going to be costly.
Only reason to change would be if you are bored. Then shoot half gallon jugs..

 

[Taylor Stratton]

Or just step up to the 6.5 creed gain more barrel life

I already have a 6.5 creed as well and use it for the same thing as well. What you guys are saying makes sense though. I don’t get bored shooting jugs at 1500 as I can’t hit them consistently yet 1000-1200 is still supersonic that’s another story. Just was hoping for something with a little better barrel life.

 

[Taylor Stratton]

How many rounds do you shoot thru the 6 creed?
If not too many then stick with it. It's an accurate round, and if all your doing is
plinking and hitting milk jugs, stick with it. You already have the knowledge and
reloading components for it. Going to another round is going to be costly.
Only reason to change would be if you are bored. Then shoot half gallon jugs..

I shoot every weekend around 50-100 rounds per weekend. I’m not crazy hard on barrels but I do shoot strings of 5-10 frequently.

 

[Ranger188]

At 50-100 per weekend, you'd better be buying barrels in groups of 2-4 per year.
I went thru 3 barrels before I said enough and started shooting the 6x47.
Barrels last a little longer and it shoots as fast as any of my 6 creed barrels did,
and a little more consistent groups.(smaller)
I know some shooters that "down" load the Creed to 2800-2900 and get really good
life out of it. I don't understand it, might as well shoot something else then.

 

[MTlager]

6 creed for beyond 1000. Shooting 115 vld’s @ 3100 stay subsonic to 1750 yards !! The new 109 hybrid also have lot better bc than the Hornady 108. Will beat them up bad at 1500!! I run them at 3130 accuracy load and can run them close to 3200 from 28 inch barrel. Awhile back got on gong at 1740 with 115 on second shot and walked the next two close to center .

 

[Taylor Stratton]

6 creed for beyond 1000. Shooting 115 vld’s @ 3100 stay subsonic to 1750 yards !! The new 109 hybrid also have lot better bc than the Hornady 108. Will beat them up bad at 1500!! I run them at 3130 accuracy load and can run them close to 3200 from 28 inch barrel. Awhile back got on gong at 1740 with 115 on second shot and walked the next two close to center . View attachment 1180415

That’s a great idea... And nice shooting! I had a 26” tube but I think I am going to go with a 28” finish on this one and run something with a better BC. I was just shooting the 108 because they have done well for me and are so darn cheap. They work great for supersonic. However as you’ve stated there others out there that have both higher and more consistent BC like the new 109. I think I’ll try something like that.

 

[Taylor Stratton]

At 50-100 per weekend, you'd better be buying barrels in groups of 2-4 per year.
I went thru 3 barrels before I said enough and started shooting the 6x47.
Barrels last a little longer and it shoots as fast as any of my 6 creed barrels did,
and a little more consistent groups.(smaller)
I know some shooters that "down" load the Creed to 2800-2900 and get really good
life out of it. I don't understand it, might as well shoot something else then.

Thankfully I chamber barrels for work and distributor is close so when it’s burned out I can get a new one quick if I need. About how fast are you running your 6x47s? I’m burning about 40gr of powder and 3040fps with 108 right how on 26” tube.

 

[fatelvis]

I know some shooters that "down" load the Creed to 2800-2900 and get really good
life out of it. I don't understand it, might as well shoot something else then.

I would do this if I used the same rifle for informal/plinking a lot, and long range shooting/hunting occasionally.

 

[Ranger188]

Right now using 103g bullets and 40.0 powder @3138 fps. 26 inch tube.
It's warm but not bad.

 

[Dgd6mm]

What's your barrel life like in your 6 Creedmoor the way you load and shoot it? How much more barrel life are you looking for?

 

[Taylor Stratton]

What's your barrel life like in your 6 Creedmoor the way you load and shoot it? How much more barrel life are you looking for?

Right now I’m running right on the edge of pressure in the summer and I have about 11-12 firings on my alpha brass. I have about 12-1300 rounds down it. Been annealing every firing or every other foe the last 6-7 firings since I got an annealer. The bolt is still a tad stiff after the shot. I’m getting 3040fps now and used to get around 3110. I can see pretty bad fire cracking about 6 inches ahead of throat. If I stay on cleaning every 1-200 rounds it’s still accurate enough for the moment. It will still clover leaf 5 shot groups at 100 and anything supersonic I can’t tell much of a different from brand new other than velocity drop from new however with it at 3040 and 108eld it goes transonic around 1340 and shooting at 1500 they just aren’t as consistent an my brothers on a brand new barrel shooting same bullet and speed. I think as Applied Ballistics has proven at the end of barrel being shot out it’s starting to loose stability going through transonic or may be altering the BC from rough bore causing inconsistencies. I’ll shoot it the rest of the summer around another 400 rounds but I’m rebarreling as soon as this lot of bullets runs out.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I would stay with the 6 creed. I love that case. Is it going to beat a BRA in a BR agg?, no but it will be more than accurate enough for any other use. I also like the 115 vld and rl16 in them, everyone I have built has shot that similar load. Heres 2 groups from mine last weekend at 1008yds. 115vld at 3000 fps, low node in a 25" barrel.

 

[Taylor Stratton]

I would stay with the 6 creed. I love that case. Is it going to beat a BRA in a BR agg?, no but it will be more than accurate enough for any other use. I also like the 115 vld and rl16 in them, everyone I have built has shot that similar load. Heres 2 groups from mine last weekend at 1008yds. 115vld at 3000 fps, low node in a 25" barrel.
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Thanks Alex, I was hoping you’d chime in having had experience with both. I agree with everything you said. I’ve been very pleased with the performance of this round but was curious about others experiences as I’ve never shot a BR or variant. Have you guys noticed the 115vld will go out of tune fast (being a vld and generally only liking specific seat depth) as the throat erodes and seating depth changes?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

All bullets have a sweet spot. To shoot really well its not a really big window. If your looking for .5 moa then sure they have a wide window. I have only worked these from .010 in to .012 off the lands. My other rifle shot them at .010 in and .006 off well, this one like .008 off and doesnt like them in the lands much at all.

 

[dnellans]

Here is some data that might help you from my personal experience. If you're primarily going to start shooting beyond 800 then bullet BC starts to trump other factors (including raw accuracy in many situations). Moving to a slower BRA with the same bullet definitely isn't going to help your situation beyond 800 and you probably will have significant trouble spotting impacts on steel (assuming that what you're shooting) much beyond 1000.

Here is a 10mph wind drift difference between 3 cartridges at velocities that handloaders will often push them.
Note that the ultra high BC SMK 110 in a BRA has the same drift to 1500 as a 6 creed pushing the 109 hybrid 200 ftps faster.
If you shoot a BRA with the 109 (which is already notably higher BC than your 108), the gap isn't much inside 800 but grows fast beyond 1000.

Just some food for thought (and sorry its in mils if you're a MOA shooter).

 

[Dgd6mm]

Everything sounds good. The one thing I would do is polish my throat, lands area every 200-300 rounds. If there became a need, which does happen I'd go farther down the barrel, even the full length of needed.