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6BR vs 6x22-250 vs 6-250 Savage

Which is better and why. Will be mostly used for F-class, varmint, and plain old having fun. I want to stick with the heavies for long range work. I want one of these due to better barrel longevity. I was initially going to do a tight twist 22-250, but think the 6mm will be a better option. Thanks for the input.

Tank
 
Anyone, anyone, bueller, bueller, anyone, anyone! :o ??? Let's change calibers a second. Interested in the pro's and cons of the 6CM and the 6x47. Can anyone give me a comparison, pro's and con's? Keep in mind I want to shoot the heavies to include the 115's. Best twist rate and barrel length. Use again would be varmint, target, F-open.
 
I just built myself a 6mmx22-250 and I really like the concept. I am having trouble getting it to shoot the 105 amax well but it shoots the 95mk pretty good. I also have a 6xc and think it might be a better target caliber by design but I don't like forming brass. a 6br is REALLY hard to beat unless you need a repeater.

chuck
 
When someone asks "What's best?", the automatic response is "For what purpose?". "Varmint, target, F-Open" covers a lot of ground.

Have you considered a 6 Dasher? Lots of great information out there.

If you are considering the 6-22-250, you need to think about what road has already been paved for you. 6XC, 6CM, 6SLR, 6-6.5x47L, etc.

This is what I did for my son. It's obviously not going to get toted around coyote hunting...have different rifles for that...but it's fine as long as you're driving to your shooting spot. It has a 30 BR barrel and a 6 BR barrel. The 30Br is the usual. The 6BR is a 10 twist with about 80 thou of FB. It's good and very accurate for mid-range bullets for varminting and for our varmint league at 300 yards. I'm going to slowly add to his barrel collection to give him more things to play with at longer ranges.

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Of those you listed the 6BR is best. It is enough to shoot to 1,000 yards. Load developments is easy and they are super accurate.

Terry
 
Hasn't anyone noticed that the 6mm/250 and the 6mm/.22-250 are actually the same cartridge? Just used different parent case to get to the same cartridge! ???
 
"Hasn't anyone noticed that the 6mm/250 and the 6mm/.22-250 are actually the same cartridge? ???"

the 6x250 savage and the 6x22-250 are NOT the same cartridge. very similar but not the same!

chuck
 
The 6-22-250 and the 6-250 are close to the same end result. There are important differences in how you get there, though. Like what brass is available. If it doesn't have Lapua brass, I don't go there.
 
polebilly said:
Heck, why couldn't have my dad been a gun nut. Your son should be very proud.

Thank you for the kind words.

I often poke my dad about why he couldn't have been a super golfer instead of a super skeet shooter. I might now be a wealthy about to retire golfer instead of struggling to get two kids through college and contemplating working till I drop.
 
I will never Marry myself to lapua brass. its good, but its not that good. sorted domestic brass will do just as good for most applications and Winchester has always been very durable for me allowing as many loads as lapua. to each his own though.

chuck
 
I've used Winchester for hunting applications. Like it just fine. For the stuff that I do, there is only a small fringe of folks doing anything but Lapua. I don't feel like blazing any new trails.

I do have some Norma 6PPC that I like OK most of the time. I go back to Lapua when it gets hot and dry. Well, I have done that in the past. I hope to put N133 in my past this year. We'll see.
 
liltank said:
Which is better and why. Will be mostly used for F-class, varmint, and plain old having fun. I want to stick with the heavies for long range work. I want one of these due to better barrel longevity. I was initially going to do a tight twist 22-250, but think the 6mm will be a better option. Thanks for the input.

Tank

I went through this exact same process a little over a year ago and decided to do a 6BR. It has been a terrific rifle and an absolute pleasure to shoot. Mine is a repeater built on a Savage SA with DBM, I use it for F Class, informal targets with friends, varmints, and big game (took an Antelope with it last year). Keep in mind I'm not trying to win a championship in F Open; there are other cartridges better suited for that purpose. The 6BR is great for someone who wants to have fun with a great performing and accurate cartridge that offers fairly low cost/round.

Go with the 6BR. You won't regret it one minute.
 
What he said is why I have 30 BR and 6 BR for my son. Can't get more stupid easy than those.
 
I shoot a 6/250AI. Shoots very well, and will drive a 105 grain amax to a little over 3000 fps. Use .243 brass to make cases, but still incurr some case shrinkage. Had I todo it all over again, I'd have reamed the chamber with a 6mm Ackley to use a .250AI head space gauge. This gives you a much better neck length (about .35"), yet cases can still be made out of basic .243 brass. Another option is to chamber the rifle for the 6x47 Lapua. Kinda like a Dasher in steroids and the 6BG is also very similar. The BG round headspaces off a .300 Savage case gauge. The shoulder comes in at about 1.45" with the same shoulder angle as the Savage case, but necked down to 6mm. The over all length is about the same as a .243 Win. Will have a very long barrel life due to the case design
gary
 
One way of looking at it is to use case capacity with 6BR as the base, its capacity treated as 100.

What you get is (approximately):

6BR ................... 100
6 Dasher ........... 110
6/22-250 ........... 114
6/250 Sav ......... 116
6mm SM ............ 119
6X47 Lap .......... 126
6XC .................. 128
.243W/WSSM ... 140

The rule of thumb is to divide the % change in case capacity by 4 and your get the likely % change in MV, all other things being equal (bullet weight, barrel length and chamber throating, and particularly the peak chamber pressure that the cartridge and loading generate.)

So, you expect 6X47 Lapua to produce a 26 divided by percentage MV increase over 6BR, ie somewhere between a 6 and 7% increase, but at the cost of considerably larger powder charge in % terms and a considerably reduced barrel accuracy life in terms of round count.

Taking 6BR as the base again and working on 2,800 fps MV for a 100-107gn bullet, the MV improvements from the larger cartridges are around:

6 Dasher ................... 70 fps
6/22-250 / 250 Sav . 105
6mm Swiss Match ..... 140
6X47 Lapua .............. 180
6XC .......................... 200
243 Win / WSSM ...... 280

You can see you've basically got four groups - the 6BR itself; the improved BRs + 22-250 & Savage wildcats; the 6X47 Lapua + 6XC; .243 Win sized cartridges.

The Dasher and 6BRX have a superb reputation for performance and I don't see why the only slightly larger capacity 22-250 / Savage wildcats would be any different. (But who knows until you try!) If you want top-notch brass, you've got it with 6BR and its variants and the .22-250 wildcat, don't know about the Savage.

Go above the capacity of the two smaller groups and you start to pay a price in terms of barrel life and also start to have less flexible cartridges in terms of powders you can use and the ease of getting loads sorted that work really well. I'd personally stick with the BR and the next capacity step up (and that's despite my having a very nice 6XC as a mid to long-range BR and F-Class rifle). When you get to this size of case my own inclination if starting with the 6.5X47L case would be to leave it at 6.5mm - another very fine performer, very flexible in what you can use it for, and one that gives good barrel life when weighed against the ballistics.

As others keep saying, it's hard to beat the basic BR and if you go for a 1-8" twist barrel and 'BR Norma' throat, my experience with the cartridge says that configuration can still produce amazing results with the 55gn varmint bullets even when they're making an almighty jump - so a good BR copes with anything between 55 and 107gn. If you must shoot 115s, pick one of the bigger cartridges, but I've found with the XC that they don't somehow live up to their promise even in long-range F, and others I've spoken to have come to the same opinion with the mid size sixes, although I know they do have their following.

The other thing you don't mention, and nobody has picked up on that I've noticed, is whether you want the rifle to be a repeater or not. If magazine feed is important, the BR and improved BRs are not entirely, but virtually ruled out, while everything else feeds fine.

I hope putting it this way helps with your choice a little. They are all, or certainly should be, fine performers, and it's down to what takes your fancy at the end of the day, maybe other factors like how easily / quickly you can get a chamber reamer and brass. Have fun anyway!
 
Laurie said:
The other thing you don't mention, and nobody has picked up on that I've noticed, is whether you want the rifle to be a repeater or not. If magazine feed is important, the BR and improved BRs are not entirely, but virtually ruled out, while everything else feeds fine.

I hope putting it this way helps with your choice a little. They are all, or certainly should be, fine performers, and it's down to what takes your fancy at the end of the day, maybe other factors like how easily / quickly you can get a chamber reamer and brass. Have fun anyway!

Good info. I have received a PM about the calibers in question. I think with everything said, I will stay with the 6-22-250 so I can run Rem brass. I also like having the option of running the 115's, but doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute choice in bullet. As far as a repeater, it won't be. This will be on a Savage target action. Love me some Savage! ;D Thank you for the info guys. I really appreciate it.
 
I don't think you will be disappointed in the 6x22=250. I've been running one for several years and still wouldn't consider
one of those others, especially when considering the expense of brass, fireforming, dies, etc.
 
CanusLatransSnpr said:
GSPV, you looking to claim any illegitimate children ;)? I'm sorry, I couldn't help myslef :)!

Mike

Mike, dude, I've got a son and daughter a year apart. Can't take any more. They about broke me playing lacrosse.

Get this...my son isn't torn up about shooting rifles. He likes shotguns because he likes "blowin' stuff up".

My daughter had lacrosse scholarship offers from Southern CA to Maine and Michigan to Florida and decided that she doesn't want to play in college. It's enough to make a man cry.
 

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