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6BR Feeding Solution

timeout

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I just compiled instructions to help a forum member regarding a modification to the Kwik Klip system which will result in reliable feeding of the 6BR series cartridges (in 700 Rems). These systems are available here: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Kwik...WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products#BVQAWidgetID
Since so many on this forum have helped me, I decided to post this in hopes that I might return the favor to a few.


1. Procure a Kwik Klip magazine kit.
2. Procure a strip of Delrin .750" wide, .250" thick and the shortest length available through McMaster-Carr. This will be the foundation material for the magazine spacer which you will install at the rear of the magazine, and also the magazine follower.
Available here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#delrin-(made-with-acetal-resin)/=10jai0i
3. Procure a piece of 3/4" (.750") round bar of Delrin. I recommend a long enough piece that you don't cut you finger off ripping the bar in two. This will form the front piece in the magazine, whose purpose is to raise the front of the cartridge upward, as the bolt forces the cartridge into the chamber.
4. Procure a tube of Permatex Super Weather-strip adhesive. This will be used to bond the rear spacer and the front elevated spacer into the magazine.
5. Procure a standard 700 Remington short action magazine follower spring. Note: I have found some to be weaker than others. I like the strongest one possible. Try to find some OEM springs. The weaker ones tend to struggle a bit keeping the front of the magazine follower forced upward.
Once you have all of the materials needed, here is the process to proceed.
A. Remove and discard the standard Kwik Klip magazine follower and spring. There will be two tabs near the front of the magazine box that you need to carefully bend straight upward. These can remain in the straight up position forever more.
B. Cut a piece of the 1/4"X3/4" flat Delrin approximately 1 3/8" long. Glue that to the rear of the magazine using the Super Weather-strip Adhesive.

C. Cut the round bar of Delrin in half lengthwise. I would recommend a table saw for this process.
Purchase a long enough piece of Delrin that you do not need to get your hands anywhere near the blade!!Cut one of the halves approximately 1.200" long. I like to use the Dremmel with a cut off wheel for this. The Delrin will then need to be fashioned on a bench grinder to the approximate following dimension:.160" thick overall and round both front sides to mate with the rounded front corners of the magazine. Check the fit. Repeat shaping of the sides as needed. Next, glue the completed piece into the front of the magazine. Once it has been glued into place, use your Dremmel to fashion an incline ramp into the top center of the Delrin. This helps to guide the cartridge toward the center as it raises it upwards. I like the lower edge of the "ramp" wider than the top. You can experiment with that to suit.
D. Fabricate a magazine follower by initially cutting a piece of the 1/4"X3/4 flat stock Delrin to approximately 2.350" in length. In order to match the contour of the magazine box, it will be necessary to do the following. 1. Taper the sides down to approximately .675" in the front. This is easiest accomplished with a bench grinder. 2. Round both front corners slightly. 3. With your Dremmel and 1/8" grinding bit, mill side slots into the follower. These will need to be centered approximately .685" from the front of the follower. 4. On the top side of the follower, mill relief areas to provide clearance for the magazines front feed lip indentations. These will be centered approximately 1.250" from the front of the follower.
E. Using a tin snips, shorten the top of the magazine follower spring by approximately 1/4" (A bit more may be necessary. Rather than trim too short, use trial and error to check for dragging or binding.) I also recommend rounding the outside edges a little. Install the spring in the exact direction I have indicated with the attached photo. It will only work correctly in one direction, both as to front & rear, top & bottom.
F. Using a needle nose pliers, turn the follower sideways and slide it rearward (above the spring). As you approach the rear of the magazine, twist the follower down into position. I coat the bottom of the follower with some light grease to ensure easy movement between the spring and follower.
G. Check for any binding brought about by incorrect sizing and milling of the follower and or, spring. Correct as needed.
H. Load 3 dummy cartridges into the magazine and install it into your rifle. With the safety on and rifle pointed in a safe direction, proceed to cycle the rounds through the chamber. Make any adjustments that may be needed. If you have followed these instructions carefully, you will now have a fully functioning 6BR detachable magazine!
Note: I am using Berger 105 gr. VLD's in a Dasher with .130" free bore and an overall length of approximately 2.346". More or less cartridge length can be accommodated simply by altering the spacer block thickness. If you undertake this project and have questions, let me know. This all must sound like a lot of work. It is some measure of work, however nowhere near the work I went through to finally make a system operable!

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Timeout I really appreciate your taking the time to write up how you made the modifications I'm going to try making this modification to one of my short actions. I have no doubt I might need to PM you sometime in the future when I get all the parts together.

As Dusty asked, can you possibly post some inside pictures of the pieces installed or maybe even a drawing if you have the time.
It's really nice that someone finally developed/described a known working system to get this done.

Thanks again, Changeling.
 
Timeout I really appreciate your taking the time to write up how you made the modifications I'm going to try making this modification to one of my short actions. I have no doubt I might need to PM you sometime in the future when I get all the parts together.

As Dusty asked, can you possibly post some inside pictures of the pieces installed or maybe even a drawing if you have the time.
It's really nice that someone finally developed/described a known working system to get this done.

Thanks again, Changeling.
I will post some pics. They aren't the best as both my camera and photography skills are lacking.

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Follower

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Empty Magazine

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Fully Loaded Magazine

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End View From Front of Magazine shows heigth of Delrin "Ramp" above the actual metal of magazine. This is critical to elevate the cartridge as it moves into the chamber.
 
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I should be receiving my 6 dasher barrel for my Ruger RPR anytime soon. I will post what I do (if anything) to the magazine to get it to feed a 6 dasher in an AICS mag, although I have seen guys do some mods to AICS mags already to get them to more reliably feed.

This is good info though to get me thinking about what I need to do if I can't get them to feed.
 
I just compiled instructions to help a forum member regarding a modification to the Kwik Klip system which will result in reliable feeding of the 6BR series cartridges (in 700 Rems). These systems are available here: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Kwik-Klip-Remington-Model-700-Clip-Conversion-Kit/741478.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&N=0&fsch=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=kwik+klip&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products&x=9&y=12&Ntt=kwik+klip&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products#BVQAWidgetID
Since so many on this forum have helped me, I decided to post this in hopes that I might return the favor to a few.


1. Procure a Kwik Klip magazine kit.
2. Procure a strip of Delrin .750" wide, .250" thick and the shortest length available through McMaster-Carr. This will be the foundation material for the magazine spacer which you will install at the rear of the magazine, and also the magazine follower.
Available here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#delrin-(made-with-acetal-resin)/=10jai0i
3. Procure a piece of 3/4" (.750") round bar of Delrin. I recommend a long enough piece that you don't cut you finger off ripping the bar in two. This will form the front piece in the magazine, whose purpose is to raise the front of the cartridge upward, as the bolt forces the cartridge into the chamber.
4. Procure a tube of Permatex Super Weather-strip adhesive. This will be used to bond the rear spacer and the front elevated spacer into the magazine.
5. Procure a standard 700 Remington short action magazine follower spring. Note: I have found some to be weaker than others. I like the strongest one possible. Try to find some OEM springs. The weaker ones tend to struggle a bit keeping the front of the magazine follower forced upward.
Once you have all of the materials needed, here is the process to proceed.
A. Remove and discard the standard Kwik Klip magazine follower and spring. There will be two tabs near the front of the magazine box that you need to carefully bend straight upward. These can remain in the straight up position forever more.
B. Cut a piece of the 1/4"X3/4" flat Delrin approximately 1 3/8" long. Glue that to the rear of the magazine using the Super Weather-strip Adhesive.

C. Cut the round bar of Delrin in half lengthwise. I would recommend a table saw for this process.
Purchase a long enough piece of Delrin that you do not need to get your hands anywhere near the blade!!Cut one of the halves approximately 1.200" long. I like to use the Dremmel with a cut off wheel for this. The Delrin will then need to be fashioned on a bench grinder to the approximate following dimension:.160" thick overall and round both front sides to mate with the rounded front corners of the magazine. Check the fit. Repeat shaping of the sides as needed. Next, glue the completed piece into the front of the magazine. Once it has been glued into place, use your Dremmel to fashion an incline ramp into the top center of the Delrin. This helps to guide the cartridge toward the center as it raises it upwards. I like the lower edge of the "ramp" wider than the top. You can experiment with that to suit.
D. Fabricate a magazine follower by initially cutting a piece of the 1/4"X3/4 flat stock Delrin to approximately 2.350" in length. In order to match the contour of the magazine box, it will be necessary to do the following. 1. Taper the sides down to approximately .675" in the front. This is easiest accomplished with a bench grinder. 2. Round both front corners slightly. 3. With your Dremmel and 1/8" grinding bit, mill side slots into the follower. These will need to be centered approximately .685" from the front of the follower. 4. On the top side of the follower, mill relief areas to provide clearance for the magazines front feed lip indentations. These will be centered approximately 1.250" from the front of the follower.
E. Using a tin snips, shorten the top of the magazine follower spring by approximately 1/4" (A bit more may be necessary. Rather than trim too short, use trial and error to check for dragging or binding.) I also recommend rounding the outside edges a little. Install the spring in the exact direction I have indicated with the attached photo. It will only work correctly in one direction, both as to front & rear, top & bottom.
F. Using a needle nose pliers, turn the follower sideways and slide it rearward (above the spring). As you approach the rear of the magazine, twist the follower down into position. I coat the bottom of the follower with some light grease to ensure easy movement between the spring and follower.
G. Check for any binding brought about by incorrect sizing and milling of the follower and or, spring. Correct as needed.
H. Load 3 dummy cartridges into the magazine and install it into your rifle. With the safety on and rifle pointed in a safe direction, proceed to cycle the rounds through the chamber. Make any adjustments that may be needed. If you have followed these instructions carefully, you will now have a fully functioning 6BR detachable magazine!
Note: I am using Berger 105 gr. VLD's in a Dasher with .130" free bore and an overall length of approximately 2.346". More or less cartridge length can be accommodated simply by altering the spacer block thickness. If you undertake this project and have questions, let me know. This all must sound like a lot of work. It is some measure of work, however nowhere near the work I went through to finally make a system operable!

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Now that`s good work..... good job...... another method is to do it in a rem.788 ( single stack )
 
All of them, I've been running a 6br in an ADL M7 and a BDL 700 for a few deer seasons.

Adam
That's amazing. I have only worked with a few 700's, my own and a couple of friends. None of them would feed the 6BR cartridges with any degree of reliability. From the comments/concerns I have read on here over the past few years, many others have had the same poor results as myself. I am not doubting your word, just am curious as to how your rifles differ from the ones that I have worked with? Perhaps others that are using the 6BR family cartridges successfully in 700 Rems will chime in? I may have spent some monies and much time needlessly. I have tried modifying Rem .223 boxes, AI .223 magazines and Wyatt BR boxes. For one reason or another, none of them satisfied me. It would be helpful for me (to see some photos of your setups to
 
This is what I did to a .308 Accurate Mag. I shortened the follower and added a spacer to the front. I did this because it was the easiest solution without monkeying with relocating and shortening the spring. Kind of a pain in the butt to load because I have to slide the round all the way back under the feed lips, but functions great.
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I have an AICS mag setup similar to what hdbiker has and a PTG bolt body with a Sako extractor. The rifle functions 100 percent as long as I don't work the bolt more slowly than I ever would during ordinary use. Been flawless for several hundred rounds.
 
I have an AICS mag setup similar to what hdbiker has and a PTG bolt body with a Sako extractor. The rifle functions 100 percent as long as I don't work the bolt more slowly than I ever would during ordinary use. Been flawless for several hundred rounds.
Where I went wrong with the AICS magazine was using a .223 style instead of the .308. I could not purchase a 5 round in .223 and just hated the 10 round magazine hanging out the bottom of my hunting rifle.
 
that's our R5 system, the mags were designed specifically for the BR, BRX, Dasher from the ground up
 

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