6BR EC Tuner Results

[Belly Benchrester]

What bipod are you using in that picture?

I don’t believe they make it anymore but it’s a Sinclair tactical

 

[Belly Benchrester]

i went ahead and put a shoot n see target over the X of the MR63 silver mountain target. Pretty neat how accurate they are. Don’t think I put the shoot n see perfectly centered.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Your doing well, forget the bs advice. Keep doing what your doing. It's about what you do in a match, not burning your barrel out in no competition no pressure sessions.

 

[Belly Benchrester]

Your doing well, forget the bs advice. Keep doing what your doing. It's about what you do in a match, not burning your barrel out in no competition no pressure sessions.

Thanks!! I’ve won the last 3 matches I’ve shot using a tuner so I’ll keep on keeping on.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

The challenge of using a tuner isn't finding a sweet spot as much as knowing what to do when the tune leaves you. It's not that difficult but there's a learning curve and you have to know mark/increment values and how they relate to the target. Lots easier than it sounds. Not much different than tuning with powder or seating. Very similar, in fact.

 

[Belly Benchrester]

The challenge of using a tuner isn't finding a sweet spot as much as knowing what to do when the tune leaves you. It's not that difficult but there's a learning curve and you have to know mark/increment values and how they relate to the target. Lots easier than it sounds. Not much different than tuning with powder or seating. Very similar, in fact.

would like to learn more about that for sure! its witch craft for me at this point. lol

 

[ballisticdaddy]

Just read back through this but what do you have mounted on the muzzle end of your barrel? Seriously though great shooting!

 

[Belly Benchrester]

Just read back through this but what do you have mounted on the muzzle end of your barrel? Seriously though great shooting!

Thanks!! Some weird contraption!

 

[ballisticdaddy]

Thanks!! Some weird contraption!

I love how adding a few lines and numbers its now a TUNER and not a muzzle brake at all! Maybe it would be a great idea to add a class.....NEVERMIND!

 

[Belly Benchrester]

I love how adding a few lines and numbers its now a TUNER and not a muzzle brake at all! Maybe it would be a great idea to add a class.....NEVERMIND!

Hahah let’s not stir that pot, again! Or maybe we shall

 

[J.D.Erwin]

This is one of the best pieces of info I have found concerning tuners. Tim has paid his dues experimenting with the tuner. I'm sure he is still learning but he has gained lots of knowledge.

I couldn't agree more with that statement Bill, I just learned more about tuners in the last 2 hours by watching this video amazing info and knowledge by Tim Sellars and Eric Cortina

 

[Ccrider]

Hey all. I wanted to share some results from a small test that i did yesterday. I find post like these have helped me over the years.
So I worked up a powder charge with a 107 Sierra that printed about 1” at 300 yards. I switched to a 105 VLD Hunting bullet by Berger (6 thou into the lands) and installed an EC tuner by @Erik Cortina Below are the specs of the barrel/Rifle as well as tuner results @100 yards. All groups were shot off a Harris bipod and armegeddon shmedium rear squeeze bag. Scope is NF NXS 5.5-22 shot on 22X

Elesio R5 chasis
Borden SSR action
Triggertech Diamond 2 stage
27” 1-7.5 twist medium Palma proof research (K.W Precision chamber) .273 neck
28.7 N140, CCI 450, Lapua brass, Sinclair tin expander mandrel,NEO LUBE

So, you went from a Sierra bullet where you “worked” a load up, to a Berger bullet with no load “work up”, shot a few shots, twisted the tuner and your gun is tuned.

There is a lots in your process that will not hold water— is in fact laughable to me, as that is what I did when I read it, but I will not make that assertion do to my tendency to carefully analyze most things.

More importantly, there are people here that have not used tuners and new members every day. To read your post, they might conclude that tuners do more than they actually do and are the magic wand that fixes a load that will not shoot. That is misleading, though I am sure not intentionally so.

I put “worked up” in quotations because “worked up” means different things to different shooters. Without an explanation about what that phrase means to you, using it is not helpful for learning purposes.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

So, you went from a Sierra bullet where you “worked” a load up, to a Berger bullet with no load “work up”, shot a few shots, twisted the tuner and your gun is tuned.

There is a lots in your process that will not hold water— is in fact laughable to me, as that is what I did when I read it, but I will not make that assertion do to my tendency to carefully analyze most things.

More importantly, there are people here that have not used tuners and new members every day. To read your post, they might conclude that tuners do more than they actually do and are the magic wand that fixes a load that will not shoot. That is misleading, though I am sure not intentionally so.

I put “worked up” in quotations because “worked up” means different things to different shooters. Without an explanation about what that phrase means to you, using it is not helpful for learning purposes.

They fix tune, so yes they can make a gun and load shoot to it's potential. The issue is, without normal load work up, we can't really know the full potential. Just take bullets for example..If your bbl will only shoot ok but not great with a given bullet, a tuner won't fix that. But, if you're off a bit on powder charge, a tuner can fix that, to a large degree. I don't look at them as only a fine tuning tool either though, per se. Completely out of tune to Completely in tune groups are similar with or without a tuner. What they do is very similar to other tuning methods in regard to group shape and size.

 

[Belly Benchrester]

So, you went from a Sierra bullet where you “worked” a load up, to a Berger bullet with no load “work up”, shot a few shots, twisted the tuner and your gun is tuned.

There is a lots in your process that will not hold water— is in fact laughable to me, as that is what I did when I read it, but I will not make that assertion do to my tendency to carefully analyze most things.

More importantly, there are people here that have not used tuners and new members every day. To read your post, they might conclude that tuners do more than they actually do and are the magic wand that fixes a load that will not shoot. That is misleading, though I am sure not intentionally so.

I put “worked up” in quotations because “worked up” means different things to different shooters. Without an explanation about what that phrase means to you, using it is not helpful for learning purposes.

If I’m doing it

So, you went from a Sierra bullet where you “worked” a load up, to a Berger bullet with no load “work up”, shot a few shots, twisted the tuner and your gun is tuned.

There is a lots in your process that will not hold water— is in fact laughable to me, as that is what I did when I read it, but I will not make that assertion do to my tendency to carefully analyze most things.

More importantly, there are people here that have not used tuners and new members every day. To read your post, they might conclude that tuners do more than they actually do and are the magic wand that fixes a load that will not shoot. That is misleading, though I am sure not intentionally so.

I put “worked up” in quotations because “worked up” means different things to different shooters. Without an explanation about what that phrase means to you, using it is not helpful for learning purposes.

you clearly must not have much experience with a 6BR as it’s pretty simple to “work up” or “choose” a powder charge. You might not have much experience either with VLD bullets as many of them in my experience like to be slightly into the lands. I’m not really certain where the disconnect is

 

[Ccrider]

If I’m doing it

you clearly must not have much experience with a 6BR as it’s pretty simple to “work up” or “choose” a powder charge. You might not have much experience either with VLD bullets as many of them in my experience like to be slightly into the lands. I’m not really certain where the disconnect is

Questioning my experience or understanding without addressing the points I make is not helpful. I will not engage that.

Whether I have experience or not does not change anything I said.

 

[Belly Benchrester]

Questioning my experience or understanding without addressing the points I make is not helpful. I will not engage that.

Whether I have experience or not does not change anything I said.

Your experience actually has everything to do with it for the following reasons:

1. You would know that powder charges with 105 class bullets can be used interchangeably in 6BRs

2. You would also know that VLDs like to be into the lands.

3. You would be able to delineate good groups from bad by reading the target.

 

[ballisticdaddy]

The only cartridge I have ever shot and loaded for where just about every mix of components that I had on hand and threw at it just seemed to work is 6BR. Because it happened fast does not mean there was no "worked up" load. Sometimes the easy button is just that!

 

[Ccrider]

Because it happened fast does not mean there was no "worked up" load.

Is this really that complicated?

I never questioned whether he worked up loads for the Sierra. He said he did and I accepted that. The novice shooter reading this, much like myself, will not know what “work up” he did. Do you?

Then he says he switched to the Berger. No explanation was given as to why, or why he did no load “work up” on the Berger. He just turned his tuner and tuned the Berger at 100 yards.

In his response to my post, he has at least given some explanation as how he is approaching this. If it works for him, that is fine. I could go on but it seems futile. I will just say that I believe that there is more to properly tuning, even a 6br, than was put forth in the original post.

It all depends on what you are looking for, and what you are willing to accept.

 

[Bill Norris]

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I couldn't agree more with that statement Bill, I just learned more about tuners in the last 2 hours by watching this video amazing info and knowledge by Tim Sellars and Eric Cortina

I found the info to be helpful from Tim and John Myers also has a Podcast with Eric that is helpful. There is a learning curve with tuners but if one will test and pay attention to the atmospheric conditions every time out then it all begins to make sense in how to reduce vertical and in some cases horizontal but I have found it to be easier to reduce horizontal with seating depth.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Is this really that complicated?

I never questioned whether he worked up loads for the Sierra. He said he did and I accepted that. The novice shooter reading this, much like myself, will not know what “work up” he did. Do you?

Then he says he switched to the Berger. No explanation was given as to why, or why he did no load “work up” on the Berger. He just turned his tuner and tuned the Berger at 100 yards.

In his response to my post, he has at least given some explanation as how he is approaching this. If it works for him, that is fine. I could go on but it seems futile. I will just say that I believe that there is more to properly tuning, even a 6br, than was put forth in the original post.

It all depends on what you are looking for, and what you are willing to accept.

I like you and have nothing but respect and good things to say for you but I honestly think you're undervaluing what a tuner can do. Simply put, they fix tune issues. So, while they will not necessarily force your bbl to shoot just any bullet or powder to the full potential of the rifle, they very much can correct tune. I've done similar to what I think the op did many times. That being, change a single load component and tune it in with nothing but the tuner. Many, many times. Sometimes tune was close and other times not but never more than a few marks away on the tuner. Few beingvrelative to different makes and styles but almost without exception, over literally thousands of tuner sales and tests, 4-5 marks on my cf tuner is extreme in to extreme out of tune. So lots of people move them too far at a time, skipping over sweet spots and all important groups shapes that literally tell you what to do to the tuner when they happen.

I might be misinterpreting what you're saying but as I understand it, I have to agree with what I believe he is describing to have seen too.

Shoot well!