6ARC, LVR powder, first loads

[Rob01]

He's already well under that in moa, unless I'm mistaken. But again, his targets were at 100 and stated intentions were for out to 300 yards. Please, correct me if I'm wrong here but that's how I read it and I don't know of a 100-300 yard game where 1 moa is competitive. Just different disciplines is all.

It shoots well below MOA at 100 and 300. Again that's the factory ammo. My handloaded 110s are even tighter.

10" at 1000 is not the same as 1" at 100. Lots of other stuff effecting the round like ES/SD and most importantly wind.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Sure would like to hear about this "chip" unless asking to stay on topic is a "chip".

What is it I'm "looking to hear" other than you could have just stated from the beginning that you had zero luck with this powder? Then I would have asked why? What did you see? Experience? Instead you went off on a tirade about the merits of the PPC.

Then to finish the highlighted part of your response I have also already addressed and concure that I believe there is a problem with the rifle but I guess you overlooked that comment as well.

So if you feel the chip and need to drop out of the discussion go ahead I will understand.

Ok, I've had zero luck with this powder in the combinations that I've tried it with based on big groups...like your best ones. You're trying to turn this into me not addressing the problem specifically because I didn't tell you in my first post to try a different powder AND different bullet. In my reply, I did address the powder and had already addressed the bullet. What is it you want? Because, based on my experience, you're just not gonna get LVR and 105 clss bullets to shoot great. Now...what will you be happy with or do yo want to know what I think will shoot best in a good bolt gun from 100-300? I assume that's what you really want to know and hope for someone to tell you but ya gotta promise not to disagree....Ok?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

It shoots well below MOA at 100 and 300. Again that's the factory ammo. My handloaded 110s are even tighter.

10" at 1000 is not the same as 1" at 100. Lots of other stuff effecting the round like ES/SD and most importantly wind.

Gotcha. Understood. Wind matters. Ok. But you're not hearing me or him....his stated intentions are 100-300 yards.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

If ya really wanna know what will work best at 100-300, just call me. I'm happy to try to be of help. But yes, I'm done here.

 

[Rob01]

Gotcha. Understood. Wind matters. Ok. But you're not hearing me or him....his stated intentions are 100-300 yards.

I heard you and him. I am just giving my experience with the arc in my bolt gun with 105+ weight bullets. They will work and be accurate when a good load is used.

 

[KMW 1954]

Ok, I've had zero luck with this powder in the combinations that I've tried it with based on big groups...like your best ones. You're trying to turn this into me not addressing the problem specifically because I didn't tell you in my first post to try a different powder AND different bullet. In my reply, I did address the powder and had already addressed the bullet. What is it you want? Because, based on my experience, you're just not gonna get LVR and 105 clss bullets to shoot great. Now...what will you be happy with or do yo want to know what I think will shoot best in a good bolt gun from 100-300? I assume that's what you really want to know and hope for someone to tell you but ya gotta promise not to disagree....Ok?

You don't see it. I was not nor am I asking for advice on which powder of bullet. The whole point of this was to relate MY experience with this powder and to get input from others that have used THIS powder.
I again started this topic in regards of what I have been led to believe that this powder works very well in this cartridge. Partly because if this powder works as described I have the opportunity to purchase a large amount but that is irrelevant.

No I don't shoot beyond 300yds and I do compete against 24 others that do every winter so yes I have a very good idea of what shoots what. So I certainly do not need you too telling me, I hear enough from them. Lastly, if this doesn't pan out I will return to shooting the 223 which I truly enjoy.

Seems you and Frank sure assume more than there is and are easily offended.

 

[JFrank]

Oh I don’t assume anything , I just listen to what you’ve said. Why would I be offended ?

 

[kyreloader]

You don't see it. I was not nor am I asking for advice on which powder of bullet. The whole point of this was to relate MY experience with this powder and to get input from others that have used THIS powder.
I again started this topic in regards of what I have been led to believe that this powder works very well in this cartridge. Partly because if this powder works as described I have the opportunity to purchase a large amount but that is irrelevant.

No I don't shoot beyond 300yds and I do compete against 24 others that do every winter so yes I have a very good idea of what shoots what. So I certainly do not need you too telling me, I hear enough from them. Lastly, if this doesn't pan out I will return to shooting the 223 which I truly enjoy.

Seems you and Frank sure assume more than there is and are easily offended.

Know you audience before you start being critical.

Mike Ezell is one of the most knowledgeable members of this forum and has more experience shooting the 6 Grendel (and derivatives) than most, if not all, members here. If I had a question regarding the 6 ARC (a 6 Grendel derivative) and he gave me his opinion, I would take it and implement what he suggested. If I were shooting 100-300 yard competitions with the 6 ARC and he recommended lighter grain bullets because they have a history of being more competitive in benchrest, guess what I would do? I would thank him, then ask him which bullets that he would recommend, then ask him if he has any powders that have worked best for him. The last thing that I would do would criticize him for trying to help me.

Rob01 are you a Hornady sponsored shooter?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Surely, this one has run its course. I'm just very confused...but that's not unusual. Lol

 

[JFrank]

don't see it. I was not nor am I asking for advice on which powder or bullet.

I thought as much in post #13

again started this topic in regards of what I have been led to believe that this powder works very well in this cartridge

Curious as to why you would consider this advice but not the input of your own range mates ?

I do compete against 24 others that do every winter so yes I have a very good idea of what shoots what. So I certainly do not need you too telling me, I hear enough from them.

If you have good idea of what shoots well, perhaps you’ll share that information so we may learn from your experience.

 

[MrK.]

I have tried LVR with 4 different bullets in my 6ARC from 85-95 grains and I can only get reasonable groups with 87gn Bergers. I have gotten some really good SD in the low single digits but not corresponding results on the target. Mine is a hunting gun so my group expectations are probably more lax than some of you.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I have tried LVR with 4 different bullets in my 6ARC from 85-95 grains and I can only get reasonable groups with 87gn Bergers. I have gotten some really good SD in the low single digits but not corresponding results on the target. Mine is a hunting gun so my group expectations are probably more lax than some of you.

Here's a Pic of just a 5 shot group at 100 with a 6 Grendel... IIRC, 95 Bib and imr 8208.
Also, for reference, a Pic of a Ppc and 6 Grendel side by side. A 6 ARC is .030 shorter than the Grendel, putting it just over half way between these two at the hs datum.

This load has shot pretty well for me. Lots of groups like this one but overall, 68's and 80's have been the best agging bullets in several guns and bbls for me. YMMV

90gr Bergers over Varget has been good as well, when I want to play with the mid weights. Some of those bullets are just better than others, IME. Probably would help to sort those.

 

[KMW 1954]

Here's a Pic of just a 5 shot group at 100 with a 6 Grendel... IIRC, 95 Bib and imr 8208.

This load has shot pretty well for me. Lots of groups like this one.

That picture is what I know this cartridge is capable off. As I have seen it in person. The league we shoot has 24 members of which 50% or better are shooting some form of 6mm. One member and close friend has for 2 seasons now shot a 6ARC in this league. His first season he struggled with it a bit and finished 14th. This past season with the same rifle he finished 6th. The guy that won has won now 2 years consecutive. The 3 years in a row before that was also won by the member that finished 2nd the last two years.

This is a sample of our final week target. It is fired using 5 shot groups X2 at 200yds and X2 at 300yds. This was my target shot with a 223 in sustained gusting winds and yes I struggle at 300yds. The goal of this target is group size, not bullseyes. In fairness I placed 18th of 24 on this target.

This past season my friend with the 6ARC out shot all 24 members with the smallest group on both distances. He is using a 105gr Berger over Varget in Hornady brass.

So to be clear I understand this rifle I am using is not up to par. Then regardless of what others may think, I have and am learning a lot from shooting this rifle.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

That picture is what I know this cartridge is capable off. As I have seen it in person. The league we shoot has 24 members of which 50% or better are shooting some form of 6mm. One member and close friend has for 2 seasons now shot a 6ARC in this league. His first season he struggled with it a bit and finished 14th. This past season with the same rifle he finished 6th. The guy that won has won now 2 years consecutive. The 3 years in a row before that was also won by the member that finished 2nd the last two years.

View attachment 1553239 This is a sample of our final week target. It is fired using 5 shot groups X2 at 200yds and X2 at 300yds. This was my target shot with a 223 in sustained gusting winds and yes I struggle at 300yds. The goal of this target is group size, not bullseyes. In fairness I placed 18th of 24 on this target.

This past season my friend with the 6ARC out shot all 24 members with the smallest group on both distances. He is using a 105gr Berger over Varget in Hornady brass.

So to be clear I understand this rifle I am using is not up to par. Then regardless of what others may think, I have and am learning a lot from shooting this rifle.

I'm sure an ARC will shoot great too. I'd do whatever I had to to get away from Hornady brass though. Enjoy!

 

[KMW 1954]

I'm sure an ARC will shoot great too. I'd do whatever I had to to get away from Hornady brass though. Enjoy!

Costs and availability of tooling and brass were the driving force behind going with the ARC over a BR derivative.. If I had to spend a couple $$k to build a rifle for this informal league we shoot then I would have just stayed with the lil 223 as I am already set up and familiar with it. So in a way this was just for something to be different and a bit more competitive than the 223.

Trust me I have no delusions of becoming a top level competitor. Just looking for an inexpensive way to enjoy this. I also understand that many of these guys I am shooting against are replacing barrels probably at least twice a year.