6 mm br or 6 mm ppc

[mikecr]

Ask any 1000 yard Dasher shooter if he built his dasher for accuracy or wind drift.

Well, most 1kyd Dasher shooters are not using ~68gr FB bullets right? Why not? Do they think 105VLDs are as accurate? Do they think a 6Dasher is as accurate as a 6PPC or 30BR, and could shoot against them(with any chance) in VFS?

No, what they better think is that the 105VLD is accurate enough -at 1kyd -due to it's BC, -in light winds, and that the dasher case has sufficient capacity for this bullet/format.
The Dasher shooter who states this knows what he's doing.

I shoot 1000 yard benchrest and "EVERY" gun I build I build for accuracy first and formost. Some I build are built with wind bucking in mind but never does it trump accuracy.

Well let me try & guess your magic formula for distance shooting builds:
Heaviest per cal bullets, and tight twist relatively long barrels
Case capacity large enough to get ~2950fps
Heavy, bulky stocks to weight down all the recoil
Maybe a muzzle brake so that your twisting/torquing/pile driving gun is still pointed in the same zipcode between shots

If any of this is true, and I don't know if it is with it being so complicated and all, then have you recognized that every bit of this build is in contrast with the most accurate guns in the world(PB BR guns)? Do you think your LR guns can hang with a 6PPC/30br up close?
Well, what is your accuracy up close? How bout at distance?
I'm curious about how accurate your 'guns built for accuracy first' really are..

Can you even manage 1/2moa consistently at 1kyd?
Before losing any credibility, just go ahead and concede that you can not.. NOBODY is shooting ~5" groups at 1kyd consistently.
WHY IS THAT?
With all these 1kyd guns built that absolutely shoot better than 1/2moa(up close), any day of the week, but often fail to produce it at 1kyd, why is it YOU still think it's about 'gun accuracy'?

Let's look at it one more way(that correlates to this thread); Would you suggest that a gun that shoots ~0.2moa groups at 300yds qualifies as 'accurate' enough to take on 600yd/1kyd competition?
If you think so, then maybe we'll all be shooting 30BRs in the near future -for every sport.
This would be great. And all we would ever have to do to make this happen, is delude ourselves to believe it(as a herd,, everyone must believe it's about 'gun accuracy' at the same time, or it won't work).

The truth is: you build LR guns to reduce the affects of hold-off errors FIRST, that are sufficiently accurate SECOND. Only your skills, and those of mother nature, steer the favor between these factors.

 

[skeetlee]

No disrespect at all, but now with Norma 6ppc brass, you can also load a piece of brass for a 6ppc and go shoot. No need to fireform.
With the proper reamer, as in any case, no need to neck turn either. The new Norma brass is good stuff to. Not like the older offering. Le

 

[woolenmammoth]

In my real limited experience (compared to many shooters on this board) the place where you will see huge gains from the PPC over a BR is when you have a proper, repeatable, rock solid bench setup on a cement bench. And you can shoot really well. With my setup, with my shooting skills on our creaky, shifty wood benches at our local matches I cant shoot a ppc any better than I can my br. Ive tried. In a hunting situation, take your pick, whatever accuracy potential difference there is off a benchrest setup doesnt matter to a groundhog and its doubtful you'll see that accuracy difference unless you have a proper bench setup which you are likely not to have in a grassy field. Just my two cents. With all that said, bob is probably going to have a wide wide selection of PPC's in comparison to BR's.

Its real important to keep this stuff in perspective sometimes.

 

[CatShooter]

No disrespect at all, but now with Norma 6ppc brass, you can also load a piece of brass for a 6ppc and go shoot. No need to fireform.
With the proper reamer, as in any case, no need to neck turn either. The new Norma brass is good stuff to. Not like the older offering. Le

Skeets...

You are right - I forgot about the Norma brass.

I recently bought Norma brass for my new .220 Swift, and it is much better than Norma of the past.

 

[Webster]

Can anyone stay on subject. He is taking about hunting GH at 300 yrds.

 

[MarkS]

Webster is right. gary b asked of the best hunting cal. I started out as varmint hunter, then got into a longrange varmint hunter, then longrange benchrest. I started with my first custom, a Remington blue printed action and a 6AI it worked great, accurate and longrange killing. I had a 6BR built and everything changed. The accuracy was better and killed just as well. I have sold all my big 6mm and gone with the 6BR and 6BRX (6br IMP) My guns are LR benchrest 17lb limit. They go to the field all the time. The 6BR will lead the pack in any varmint gun, I have been they and done it. Good shooting Gary.
Mikecr,
My guns are bulit for accuracy first, if not I am wasting my time. I shoot 6BR and 6BRX for 600 yds benchrest. I have shot 1000 yds, it does not give you enough shooting. You need to remember, the the PPC mat be King, but the 6BR will run a very lose second. I will shoot my guns with any PPC at any range, anytime, as will any of the guys I shoot with. People like Sam Hall, Larry Isenhour, Mike Davis, Joel Kendrick, Terry Brady, and many other like myself, IBS 600 yd record holder. 0.5 MOA will not cut it a 600 yds, 3" will have you 10 to 15 places down the list. Some times 0.5 moa at 1000 yds want cut Too. with a good gun you would be luck to keep it at 5" all the time. There are too many factors in shooting 1000yds. the current LG record for 10-Match Group Agg. 5.331" that is 10 matches no throw outs. 6-Match Group 4.040" at is 4 matches can be droped, the current single targt is 1.397". Ask these guys if there guns were built for accuracy first.

Mark Schronce

 

[dave7mm]

The 6mm PPC can be very plug and play.
The sizing dies and form dies are all very easy to obtain.
Its only been around now for 40 years or so.So you dont have to reinvent the wheel.
If you run prepeped brass you might bitch about the price.
But one set of cases will wear out a barrel.
Brass life on a PPC is outstanding.As long as you dont blow a primer pocket i've seen PPC cases reloaded 100 times.
Whats cheeper now?
You dont have to shoot H322 .
Thats monkey see monkey do chit.
Any medium to fast medium powder will drill bug holes.
Theres a reason it holds every accuracy record at 100 200 and yes 300 yards.
And in the field.
A dead chuck with every pull of the trigger.

dave

 

[Bobbyboy6br]

The 6 br I feel is the best choice.reason being your hunting with it for groundhogs and those shots will be 200 300 and beyond.the 6 br has the edge over the 6ppc . It holds more powder than a 6 ppc .At 600 yards the 6br holds the worlds record and the 6ppc at 300 and beyond is no match to the 6 br.

 

[swd]

The 6 br I feel is the best choice.reason being your hunting with it for groundhogs and those shots will be 200 300 and beyond.the 6 br has the edge over the 6ppc . It holds more powder than a 6 ppc .At 600 yards the 6br holds the worlds record and the 6ppc at 300 and beyond is no match to the 6 br.

You realize this thread is stopped 5 years ago...

 

[357Mag]

Maddysdad -

Howdy !

FWIW - My response may vary significantly from others received.

My best friend and ( groundhog / precision ) shooting buddy once bought a used 6mm varmint rifle from Mr. White.

The rifle's barrel proved to be rather rough in the middle area of the bore, and would shed bullet cores after exit from the barrel.
Mr. White contested full return of the rifle's purchase price, which was something that surprised us.

Based on that one particular purchase, I'd ( we'd ) recommend against $$$ of a " used " rifle from Mr. White.

YRMV.


With regards,
357Mag

 

[HTSmith]

using 60 to 70 grain//// a light varmint class gun?/// i am looking to buy a used one from mr bob white in new jersy
gary b...

90% of Mr. White's rifles on his inventory list are 6PPC with a 13 to 14 twist. Buy one and have fun! Perhaps you could get one with a bolt face that will handle either the PPC or BR, and add a 6BR later if you like.

 

[Bobbyboy6br]

You realize this thread is stopped 5 years ago...

Oops thanks