6 dasher sons starter target/ hunting rifle

[1611]

@Toby Bradshaw The thought has crossed my mind. But for his first rifle a 700 action will work. I may or may not have to do some upgrades to the action.

 

[1611]

I was reading up last night on the 6x47, 6xc and 6CM. All should work well in the action. 6x47 sounds like it’s harder to tune, but accurate and better Barrel life than then XC and CM. If I don’t care about the additional barrel life the XC and CM do come with the additional speed. I do like speed...

 

[birdog]

The Dasher will be low recoil causing low flinch being a great starter rifle.
Great accuracy with low recoil. He will love it
I have several 700's in the Dasher and 6 BR.

 

[tvaught]

6 GT

Easy to tune, forgiving like the Dasher, that smidgen of extra case length and 35 deg shoulder makes it feed more like a 6-47, and less like a Dasher. High falutin’ brass from Alpha available, hunting/varmint/economical brass from Hornady. $75 RCBS full length neck bushing sizing die. Extra case capacity horsepower to run the 110/115s if you wanted, and the longer case neck makes it easier for one free bore dimension to accommodate 103 to 115 class of bullets.

 

[tvaught]

I’ve been told by accomplished 6-47 shooters, the main reason the cartridge got/has a finicky wrap was insufficient chamber neck clearance, .274+ is where to be. Now that Grafs is selling high quality Petersen 6-47 brass, it’s now a load and shoot cartridge, with the right freebore, there’ll be 150-200fps difference between the Dasher and a 6-47 with the heavier 110/115 bullets, and the ability to run 4350/r16 class of powders as well.

 

[Sniper338]

I like the idea. I did one for my wife in regular 6BR. SS rem 700 trued. 24 inch rem varmint barrel. Turned out fabulous, feeds flawlessly from AI mags. I just dont seat the case all the way to the back of the mag, about a quarter inch from the back on the mag. No issues, had it for a few year now.

Never tried with a dasher, but it works with the BR. Less pita to prep brass too. The speed difference dont matter if your not trying to outshoot another guy in a competition... id just go BR.

 

[Drop Port]

I got my hands on a rem 700 SA SS with a .473 bolt face repeater action. Looking to build my son his first target/hunting rifle with it. I have been looking into different cartridges for my son and keep coming back to the 6 dasher.

I haven’t left the warm waters of traditional.308 cals yet (sammi 308 win, 300 win mag and 300 PRC chambers) it would be a fun project for us to embark on. He will he shooting prone and off a bench with me out to 1k, then some groundhog hunting prone 0-500 yards. For the most part I’ll be transporting the rifle in a case for him. Just put him behind the rifle until he is older.

Looking to run it out of DMB with 105 Berger VLDs, Lapua brass. Could you guys recommend the neck and freebore I should spec to maximize the potential of this cartridge for this configuration? Also the ideal barrel length? I don’t mind turning necks if required. I will have him involved with the handloading and development.

Thanks
Dip

What kind of hunting? distance? animal size? How old is your son? What kind of experience does he have behind a rifle?
I've been through the same build and I use a 6br for culling so I have two thoughts and without knowing a little more my .02 probably aint worth .01

 

[1611]

What kind of hunting? distance? animal size? How old is your son? What kind of experience does he have behind a rifle?
I've been through the same build and I use a 6br for culling so I have two thoughts and without knowing a little more my .02 probably aint worth .01

It’ll be set up for shooting groundhogs out to 500 yards and target shooting out to 1k. Prone or off a bench. He has been shooting 22 and 22 mag open sights and scoped. Build is for his next birthday when I can get him a his own membership to my club. I am still looking into stock options, most likely I will get my hands on an older 700 stock and cut it down to his size LOP or get a stock with an adjustable LOP, regardless bedded and fully free floated barrel. This is for teaching him the fundamentals of long range target shooting and also learning how to shoot at game. I’m going to get him a membership to my club and if he’s going to come with me he might as well have a rifle to shoot.

 

[Drop Port]

I don't think you can go wrong with your choice. I would also consider just going straight 6BR. Top shelf brass that will last the life of the barrel and no forming if you go with Lapua, plus very capable of targets out to 1K. Also for a new hunter an 85 SGK kills unbelievably well with even less recoil than the 105's.
Not the cool factor of a Dasher but it has served me well as an all around cartridge for varmint, deer culling and the occasional GH Comp.

 

[1611]

I don't think you can go wrong with your choice. I would also consider just going straight 6BR. Top shelf brass that will last the life of the barrel and no forming if you go with Lapua, plus very capable of targets out to 1K. Also for a new hunter an 85 SGK kills unbelievably well with even less recoil than the 105's.
Not the cool factor of a Dasher but it has served me well as an all around cartridge for varmint, deer culling and the occasional GH Comp.

Right now I’m somewhere between a 6br,dasher,x47,XC and creedmoor decisions decisions!

I will probably spend a bunch of time with him at 100 yards. Then once his groups tighten up start stretching his legs. I’ve always wanted a dasher, but the speed of a CM interests me. Giving up some accuracy for speed, is it worth it for a non-comp target rifle? I understand the benefits of a case like the CM for a factory action. But the dashers Potential challenges seem worth the reward.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

I will probably spend a bunch of time with him at 100 yards. Then once his groups tighten up start stretching his legs. I’ve always wanted a dasher, but the speed of a CM interests me. Giving up some accuracy for speed, is it worth it for a non-comp target rifle?

For young shooters I like to start with a rifle that doesn't have much recoil, especially when shooting from a bench with a hunting-weight rifle. Higher bullet weight and more propellant mean more recoil. A 6BR will push an 80gr Barnes TTSX at ~3100fps with 31-32gr of powder. That's plenty for all the medium game (deer, pronghorn) that I hunt. For accuracy work an 80gr Bart's or Berger would be perfect.

A straight 6BR shooting 105-class bullets will produce ~30% more recoil than the above, and a 6 Creedmoor with 105s will produce ~40% more recoil (burning 10gr more powder than the 6BR).

If centerfire 22s are legal for medium game where you hunt, and you're committed to the 0.473 boltface (instead of a .223, which I would recommend for a young shooter), a 22BR shooting 55-65gr bullets (of proper construction) will yank the legs out from under a deer with 20-25% less recoil than a 6BR shooting 80gr bullets.

Just something to think about.

 

[Farmerboy78]

I have a remage dasher on a 700 action that feeds just fine using an aics mag with the pva dasher kit.

 

[Brians356]

For young shooters I like to start with a rifle that doesn't have much recoil

Also less muzzle blast. Even assuming adequate ear protection, there's a tactile effect on the face from muzzle blast which in large part induces flinch. So a muzzle brake is not the best approach to mitigating recoil for young shooters IMO.

I don't know how receptive the 6BR is to reduced loads, but that's a possible approach I suppose.
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[1611]

Also less muzzle blast. Even assuming adequate ear protection, there's a tactile effect on the face from muzzle blast which in large part induces flinch. So a muzzle brake is not the best approach to mitigating recoil for young shooters IMO.

I don't know how receptive the 6BR is to reduced loads, but that's a possible approach I suppose.
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I agree on muzzle blast. I will have the muzzle threaded but most likely not run a brake. As for recoil if I go with a dasher or 6x47 with a heavier rifle set up, I don’t see that being too big of issue.