6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. UPDATE. PIC NOW

[Steve Wilson]

OK. 105 Hybrids, sitting .015 off the lands and 32.5 grains of Varget will be my test load. I have 205M, 400 and 7 1/2 primers on hand. Graf's is out of 450's right now but may have more coming in this, or maybe next Thursday. My 600 yard match is next Saturday, so no time to wait for the 450's to come in. My gut tells me to go with the 205M's that have been so accurate with my 6 BR, but everybody says that 450's are the primer of choice in a 6 Dasher.

What to do?

 

[dogdude]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

the REM 7 1/2 have a spark similar to the 450's

 

[bozo699]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

Steve,
The 205M primer has worked fine in my rifle, as a matter of a fact I cannot tell the difference on paper between the 205M and the cci-450's if you were running H-4895 then you would want the 400 primers, hope this helps some.
Wayne.

 

[alf]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

I use 7 1/2's for everything that doesn't matter........

205M's when it does.

 

[Steve Wilson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

OK. 205's it is then. Thanks a lot guys. I always trust what Wayne has to say.

Thanks again.

 

[Steve Wilson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

I loved Alf's comment. 7 1/2's for everything that doesn't matter. 205M's when it does.

Classic.

 

[4xforfun]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

I loved Alf's comment. 7 1/2's for everything that doesn't matter. 205M's when it does.

Classic.

Well, he's been doin dashers since before they were "cool"!!

 

[larryk40c]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

Wayne, I have been useing the BR4s for the dasher. Am I missing something? Have not tryed the 450s.
Thanks for any help.
Larry

 

[cmillard]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

i shoot wolf exclusively now, can't beat them!

 

[bozo699]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

I loved Alf's comment. 7 1/2's for everything that doesn't matter. 205M's when it does.

Classic.

Yes I agree that is a classic, I will remember that one for future comments ;D

OK. 205's it is then. Thanks a lot guys. I always trust what Wayne has to say.

Thanks again.

Steve,
I wished you hadn't said that, now the heat is really on for me,...I sure hope you win or I'll have to find another forum to hang out on ;D seriously I have had very good luck with both the Dasher and 6brx and 205M with Varget powder, best of luck and don't forget to tell us how you did if you did good, if not be kind please

Wayne, I have been useing the BR4s for the dasher. Am I missing something? Have not tryed the 450s.
Thanks for any help.
Larry

Larry,
No your not missing anything br4 are fine primers, I work where there made but forgot exactly the make up of them, I could look tomorrow when I go to work but I think they are the same as the 400's except for the anvil. What powder are you using with the br4's? The 450's seem to be the go to for Varget and RL-15 and the 400 seem to be the go to for H-4895 although like I said I have had very good results with the 205M's.

A side note I have never found anything I like shooting RL-15 in, it was fine accuracy wise but it is the filthiest powder I have ever used,....PERIOD!

i shoot wolf exclusively now, can't beat them!

cmillard,
I have not had the pleasure of the Wolf primers yet but I would like to try them. What are you seeing with them you like better then other primers?
Wayne.

 

[maxpower]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

+1 for the Wolf/Tula SRMs in smaller cases with faster (H4895, Varget) powders. Good ES/SD compared to others.

 

[bozo699]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

+1 for the Wolf/Tula SRMs in smaller cases with faster (H4895, Varget) powders. Good ES/SD compared to others.

I need to order some and try them,.where are you getting yours at?
Wayne.

 

[maxpower]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

I bought a bunch of the Tula ammo primers from Powder Valley a couple of years ago, and I get a lot of duds (1 in 10 failure). This happens in every gun I've shot them in including the Dasher. Accuracy is horrible also.

Ive heard what youve said before Flybuster. Some people love them, some hate them. It seems if your gun has a weak firing pin, you might have issues. Mine must have good firing pins as I have had nothing but good luck with them.

 

[cmillard]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

i have had ZERO malfunctions with wolf primers and have fired MANY thousands of rounds in my .223 gas guns and 6BR with wolf primers. will be testing wolf in my .300 wsm and have had nothing but good results in .45 acp as well. i have shot my personal best with wolf primers and they have also given me the MOST consistent loads i have ever shot. Low single digit sd and single digit es.

 

[farmerjohn]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

We shoot nothing but Wolf/Tula Primers. Have been for several years...They have always given the best ES/SD's...They were used this past fall to shoot the current 600 yd F-Class record, a 200/18X as well...

 

[Steve Wilson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

Bummer!!!!! I got to the range yesterday and went to set up the chronograph only to find that the tripod was missing the little gizmo that threads into the chrono. After tearing the back of the Explorer apart and not finding it; I decided to just go ahead and shoot.

We were forecast to have light and steady winds all afternoon. My windflags were steady alright, steadily switching from left to right.....back and forth. At one point, I was shooting two groups, with the same primers at the same time, depending on which way the wind was blowing. From the left, I shot at one target...from the right...a different target dot. I got tired of waiting for the wind to hold long enough to finish a 5 shot group and simply decided to alternate targets based on the wind direction.

And then there was the horrendous mirage to deal with. Don't you just love trying to decide when to touch the trigger as the dot is dancing all around the target?

Anyway, even with no chrono, the switching winds and mirage, there were noticeable patterns. Federal 205M's did the best, followed closely by Remington 7 1/2's. It didn't care for the CCI BR-4's too much. I also had some CCI 400's with me but didn't load any. We have storms here now, so no range time today. I'll run down to Best Buy later and see if I can find the missing adapter for my old tripod, or buy a new one. I have generally found, that the quickest way to find something I've lost, is simply to just go buy another one. Then the lost one will suddenly appear, as if by magic. New tripods are a better design than my old one anyway, so that's probably my best solution.

 

[Killshot]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. UPDATE

Steve,
Did some load testing today myself with my Dasher.

Since everyone here uses CCI450s for their Dashers I thought I'd give them a try. Only tried two powder weights with some 107SMKs and I'm a believer. Got better groups than with the CCI-BR4s, which themselves shot better than the Rem 7 1/2 Benchrest.

I'm finding a nice fat node between 2,930 and 2,980 no matter the projectile. I'm a little low of the next, higher node but I'm being cautious - I don't want to lose cases to loose pockets. Been there before, got plenty of time to do it right.

 

[Steve Wilson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. UPDATE. DONE!!!

I bought a new tripod yesterday, so I was able to use the chrono for the first time today with the new Dasher.

105 Hybrids (untrimmed or pointed, but sorted to .1 grain) sitting .015 off the lands. 32.5 Varget and 205M primers. The first shot down the bore over a slightly oiled patch went 2880. The next went 2980. That took care of the two fouling shots. A 5 shot group followed with speeds of 2980 to 2988. WOWZA, only an 8 FPS spread.

The vertical wasn't terribly excessive, but there was more horizontal than my windflags indicated. I wiggled the forearm sideways while focusing on the target and saw the dot moving from side to side. Hmmm, too much sideplay in the front bag? I tightend the bag screws on the Edgewood bag and pounded the butt down harder into the rear Gator. Slid the stock back and forth several times and it was tracking great on the Farley.

Then I fired another 5 shot group at 100 yards. These crossed the chrono at 2990 to 2993. THREE feet spread? Are you kidding me???????? I double checked and the printer had caught every one of them.....line by line. The group measured .170 of vertical and .213 of horizontal. I will accept most of the vertical as me and also take the blame for not paying stricter attention to the subtle tail changes on the wind flags.

With that, I pronounced the end of load development and will spend every day this week practicing at 600 yards, weather permitting. Wind won't stop my practice, in fact, I'm looking forward to working with it and the mirage. The first match is next Saturday and I want to be as ready as I can be for adverse conditions.

I'm tickled pink. The barrel has 100 fireforming rounds through it and 72 rounds of second firing on the load development. Now, if I could just get some of those magical 450 primers, I could start shooting some real sparkling groups.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. What primer?

+1. I sold off 2,000 after a series of duds. I'm pretty certain my firing pin is not weak either.

I bought a bunch of the Tula ammo primers from Powder Valley a couple of years ago, and I get a lot of duds (1 in 10 failure). This happens in every gun I've shot them in including the Dasher. Accuracy is horrible also.

 

[Steve Wilson]

Re: 6 Dasher load development tomorrow. 32.5 Varget, 105 Hybrids. UPDATE. DONE!!!

I'm not wanting to hijack my own thread, in order to stop the deliberations over Tula primers, but I have a picture now of my 100 yard group with 205M primers. You all don't mind, do you?