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6 BR free bore question using Wilson bushing dies

I could use some advice. Is a 0 free bore what I`m needing? I`m preparing to build a tight neck 6BR, to shoot 65 to 67 grain bullets. Using a Wilson bushing die. I`m guessing the pressure ring is not an issue with only part of the neck being sized.? The rig I have now, shoots SMK out of a loose chamber with a long throat. A tight neck and getting to pick my free bore is all new to me.
Thanks for the help.
 
I could use some advice. Is a 0 free bore what I`m needing? I`m preparing to build a tight neck 6BR, to shoot 65 to 67 grain bullets. Using a Wilson bushing die. I`m guessing the pressure ring is not an issue with only part of the neck being sized.? The rig I have now, shoots SMK out of a loose chamber with a long throat. A tight neck and getting to pick my free bore is all new to me.
Thanks for the help.
I would talk to the reamer maker . I've got a few 6 br reamers . The original was 6 br Rem , made for 68-70 gr bullets and short range BENCHREST and to compete with the 6 PPC , the newer 6 br Norma has a longer leade for heavier bullets .
Do you have a 7 br Xperia-100 and is it stock or modified. I'm looking for one I sold yrs ago , hollow flat handle , had 2 barrels 7 TCU and 7 br , it was blue in a custom fiberglass silhouette stock with Wichita sights
 
I could use some advice. Is a 0 free bore what I`m needing? I`m preparing to build a tight neck 6BR, to shoot 65 to 67 grain bullets. Using a Wilson bushing die. I`m guessing the pressure ring is not an issue with only part of the neck being sized.? The rig I have now, shoots SMK out of a loose chamber with a long throat. A tight neck and getting to pick my free bore is all new to me.
Thanks for the help.

I LOVE my zero freebore 6BR. it is simply a joy to jam those little 55 grainers, and it shoots the 70 grains very well.
 
For those bullets, I'd go with zero to about .060 freebore. The long neck is forgiving. That's why I can state such a wide range that will work well. If you think you may try a faster twist, such as a 1-12 at some point. .080-.100 will work with most 65-80 grain bullets, giving a bit more flexibility to the reamer. You could also just get a zero fb and a separate 6mm throater to handle any and all fb amounts for any twist or bullet.
 
My personal 6br reamer is .099fb. I can shoot the 65/68 in old ppc barrels or shoot a 105 but its into the case just a tad. No prob i just lose some capacity. Like mike said get a uni throater and you wont even have to remove the barrel to adjust the throat to what you need
 
I load as normal. There was a thread that I started where Alex Wheeler compared the 55 through the 80 grain Berger with the zero Freebore and there is no issue getting into the donut area until you get to the 80 Berger.
Yessir, that makes my point about the long neck of the br case being very insensitive to Freeborn with a wide range of bullets. If you want to stay with very light bullets, zero is a good choice. As Dusty said, about .100 is very flexible in the other direction, working with 65- 105 grain bullets. If in doubt, I'd do a zero or short fb and you can always lengthen it using a throat in reamer to suit your individual needs.
 
Yessir, that makes my point about the long neck of the br case being very insensitive to Freeborn with a wide range of bullets. If you want to stay with very light bullets, zero is a good choice. As Dusty said, about .100 is very flexible in the other direction, working with 65- 105 grain bullets. If in doubt, I'd do a zero or short fb and you can always lengthen it using a throat in reamer to suit your individual needs.

I think people have gone way too far out on freebore. .100 is plenty for up to Berger 108s. So, ultimately the Noram reamer is perfect for 80-108s.

As we discussed before the real problem is that everyone is using too tight of necks :)
 
I have four barrels with zero freebore,12-14T, and I shoot:

55g Nosler and Sierra blitz king
60g sierra
65g V max
70g TNT, Nosler, and Sierra blitz kings

no doubt you are saving barrel life by going to a zero freebore with these bullet weights

If you are having a reamer ground for yourself, then get a zero freebore, and most gunsmiths have a unithroater for use on heavier bullets.

H335 and AA2230 yields unbelievable barrel life in the 6 BR with these bullet weights, especially if you are hammering a hot p. dog town with 300 round shot strings. AA2015 and H322 craps out in the 125 round area, and N133 and 135 simply eats throats like you are shooting dried battery acid for powder.

If you start with zero freebore, shoot H335 or AA2230, figure a minimum of 6000 rounds of barrel life minimum shooting in the 2's at 6000 rounds, but copper fouling will start to be an issue to deal with. Last barrel I took off would agg in the low 3's at 10,000 rounds but copper fouling was a bear to deal with. 60g Sierra's were jumping at 10,000 rounds, but still had no wild flyers.
 
I think people have gone way too far out on freebore. .100 is plenty for up to Berger 108s. So, ultimately the Noram reamer is perfect for 80-108s.

As we discussed before the real problem is that everyone is using too tight of necks :)
Problem? I think a lot of people cut thinner than they have to, but the trend is to thicker necks...err minimal turn necks. Tighter, to me, relates to clearance. That's something we are in full control of if we turn necks. I like to use about .003" on most stuff. Sometimes a touch more on big stuff. I see it mostly as a factor to brass life. Working the brass less, yields better brass life. And then there is annealing...:eek: Whole 'nother subject.
Too little clearance is IMO, a fools errand. It gains little if anything at all but can cause accuracy as well as safety problems, if too tight. I've never tested specifically to see how much it affects brass life but have routinely gotten very good brass life with very high pressure loads and a good fit between die and chamber. The last time I did anything that told me much about my brass life, I went 50 firings on Lapua Grendel brass, annealing once at about half of that. I pushed it a little far and the brass literally started causing the gun to double group..of all things. I think it would be safe to say that brass was good for 40+ firings easy enough though. Probably closer to 45 or 46. These were not pussycat loads, either. Primer pockets loosened a bit early, then pretty much stabilized for most of the rest of the time. I culled some as pockets got where they were too loose. I will say this...YMMV, but a good die to chamber fit and Lapua brass is tough stuff....or it was then. That was in about 2009ish. I've not pushed brass that long in a long time.

I don't like to run too much clearance but I don't think it hurts accuracy until the necks begin to work harden. Some people run more and some less. More people anneal now, too. Again, at the other extreme but, little if anything to gain and is a waste of brass life, to run too much clearance, i.e., .006 or more. Neck tension is a factor too. If we are running a lot of tension, we are moving the brass to size it down, then the bullet just opens it back up. Lots of work on the brass. Ultimately, we tend to do what we believe works best though. Hard to argue with results.

Several factors to good brass life. You can ruin it in one firing with too much pressure so I guess it's safe to assume pressure is the most important factor.

As to freebore and using as little as possible, you're also using up case capacity if the bullet seats way deeper than necessary. Nothing wrong with slightly compressed charges but compressing it too much creates another set of problems, like bullets pushing out and effectively slowing the powder burn rate down some. I like for the base of the bullet to lightly compress the powder, to the point that if you pour it through a long drop tube, it's still in contact with the bullet base. Maybe it's splitting hairs, but it matters in an all out BR rifle, IMO. Lots of things that some do, IMO, does not, but if we think it matters...then it certainly does matter. Throating for optimal powder capacity is something that I believe is worthwhile in a BR rifle but likely not, in anything else.
 
That being said, my 6BR zero freebore is getting INSANE good velocities.
There's a point where reducing capacity due to some other limiting factor, like magazine length, is of benefit to speed. I have a zero freebore 223 reamer for AR's that is great. The platform limits cartridge OAL so reducing the effective capacity actually increases speeds, in that sense. Of course, there is also the limiting factor of the pressure that the bolt in one will take. The whole idea was free speed from a confining platform, while keeping recoil as light as possible. It works, but adding powder gains speed faster than does reducing capacity. So, in a rifle platform that is not as limited in mag mag length and pressures, more powder does equal even more velocity. I get that you like what you have and that it's a very good setup. Optimizing for every ounce of speed and/or accuracy can be done better than that, though, while still realizing quite a bit of flexibility with the BR case and it's long neck. There's a reason why this website use to be called 6mmbr.com. It's truly a great little round, no doubt.
 
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking 0 free bore with the light target bullets, is what I needed.

I have 1 more question rate with a 16" to 17" barrel. And I think I have my answer. But, advice from here is almost always, good advice.
I have asked barrel and bullet makers, and their advice is 50/50.
It will probably be 17" long. Is a 13 twist the best choice. Because of velocity loss from shorter barrel?
 

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